Thread: New to this, and being safe.

Any reason for the injectable avoidance? You say you want to be safe but you are willing to put your liver in the "ring" for some gains, plus there are other injectables besides test.

Originally Posted by Npderi

Hello everyone,

I've spent a fair deal of time doing research, checking sources, and reading the threads posted on online forums, but I still have a few questions regarding taking a first cycle for a "newbie", and I'm hoping someone will guide me in the right direction.

To start, just a little about myself:

I'm 32, 6feet tall, I weight roughly 230lbs, with about 15% to 20% body fat (yeah, I know...). My training has almost always been inconsistent because of major changes in my environment, I have however earlier on in my life been very active. I've just recently (2months now) been working out regularly, and plan on going at it for another 10 before attempting anything. I want to do things this way, as I think if I wait longer than a year of consistent (5 days a week workout routine) exercise, that it might be over prudent with the matter. My body fat is high because I have been working the past two years as a driver and eating fast-food junk daily. My excuse was that I felt like I had no choice because of the timeline for getting from site to site. I'm lucky to have a decent metabolism, I otherwise would be obese from that diet and job.



I also want to mention that I read the thread that's stickied about "first cycles", but that I'm worried about TEST. I don't think I know enough yet to avoid possible nasty side-effects. Although, I think it would make sense as a second cycle, once I'm a couple of years into what I'm trying to achieve.

Essentially, I want to start off by building some lean mass, improving my overall strength, and increasing muscle density. I was thinking of doing a Winy (oral), Var (oral, obviously), and clen cycle. I was wondering what you guys had to suggest, and if it makes sense to add Turan, Proviron, and Clomid to this as part of a PCT? Should I even be worried about PCT using this?

p.s. I'm avoiding injectables as a first cycle. I know it's a different intake route, and affects the liver in that sense, but I think it should be ok with moderate dosage?

Thank you ahead of time for any suggestions.

300 mg test e 10 weeks
12.5 mg aromasin eod

Get your diet and training in check,pretty good for a first timer right there.

Originally Posted by RAWS n More

300 mg test e 10 weeks
12.5 mg aromasin eod

Get your diet and training in check,pretty good for a first timer right there.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

300 mgs a week is weak.

500 mgs a week of test for 12 weeks (injectable) split up 250 on monday 250 on thursday.

AI... Aromasin is your best bet.

PCT... first cycle 50 mgs clomid for 4 weeks is sufficient.

Get over your fear of injecting. Oral only cycles are gay. Should only be done for 4 weeks, and you blow up and lose most of it. Test is BEST.

Firstly, your bodyfat percentage is a bit high to start AAS. You should diet down to at least 12-15% prior to beginning a cycle.

Also, you need to have your training and diet dialed in before starting a cycle to get optimal benefits from it.

My advice to you at this point is to post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums, and let us help you there first.

After a few months of cultivating an effective diet and training program, it may be time to consider running a cycle.

Just continue to read, brother. When you are ready, and have gained enough knowledge you will throw the var/winny/clen cycle out the window. 10 months is plenty of time to read and ask questions!!! Kudos to you for not jumping into anything.

And like GMO said, get that bf% down!

I would not advise running multiple orals simultaneously as most are liver toxic and will wreak havoc on your lipids; especially Winny and Var (My lipids are worse than a deadman's after running multiple orals -along with injectables). Keep making natural improvements for a few more months and then consider a Test-only cycle (Cyp or Enanthate at 400-600mg EW) for 10-12 weeks (get over your hesitance to pin). Then, only start a cycle, if, and only if, the following conditions have been met: diet is on point, you run proper AI (i.e. Aromasin or Arimidex) and have proper PCT lined up to start two weeks after your last shot. PCT is usually Clomid with the option of running Aromasin alongside it. Additionally, I have always found Proviron (25-50mg ED) to be a nice addition to all and any cycles I've ever run. Some will advocate running HCG during cycle in order to maintain testicular function. I personally have never used it because I don't care if my balls take "time off." It's a personal choice.

Needless to say, it is paramount you know exactly what you're doing in every aspect regarding injection technique.

Befriend the pin brother

Originally Posted by Mooksman

Befriend the pin brother

HAHAHA. He won't let you down!

Awesome. Thanks guys for the encouragement. I'll read more within the nutrition and training boards, and post as I go along. I'll have get used to the idea of injectables I suppose, I have yet some time for that.

Before anything else, I'm going to get a blood test done. Just to see where I'm at right now. That way I have better reference for later on.

Originally Posted by GMO

Firstly, your bodyfat percentage is a bit high to start AAS. You should diet down to at least 12-15% prior to beginning a cycle.

Also, you need to have your training and diet dialed in before starting a cycle to get optimal benefits from it.

My advice to you at this point is to post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums, and let us help you there first.

After a few months of cultivating an effective diet and training program, it may be time to consider running a cycle.

^this. And get over your fear of needles. Your liver will hate you and your results will be shitty with oral only cycles. I was nervous about my first pin too but once you do the first one its easy man. 1.5inch 23gauge in the glutes.

Originally Posted by Npderi

Awesome. Thanks guys for the encouragement. I'll read more within the nutrition and training boards, and post as I go along. I'll have get used to the idea of injectables I suppose, I have yet some time for that.

Before anything else, I'm going to get a blood test done. Just to see where I'm at right now. That way I have better reference for later on.

Good for you for taking your time. GMO pretty much covered in his feedback as far as what to do next. I'm sure you will get some excellent feedback in the training and nutrition forums. Good luck