Thread: How is this for a first cycle?

Too young....look at the guy a few threads down that started when he was 20. His doc now want's to put him on HRT for life because he fucked up. Don't do the same....give it some more time bro.

On the side...no HCG during PCT as HCG is suppressive. Clomid protocol is off....use it for 4 weeks. Keep a steady test dose, IMHO....don't just increase it because you have it. If you were at age, I would say use the extra test to front, or spread it out evenly during the cycle. Again, think long and hard about your age before you fuck yourself for life....not worth it.



/V

The Clomid would be used for 4 weeks unless you mean keep the dose steady. And by that, do you mean I should raise the Test dose for 400mg per injection?

Even though I will probably not run this cycle anytime soon due to financial reasons, I still want to make sure I have everything right. My PCT knowledge came from the sticky. I don't want to be like the kid who is 20 and on HRT. But that is why I researched as extensively as I did though I know even that can't protect me from bunk products; but as such I didn't start with d-bol, anabol, tren, etc.

6'0 170? I stopped reading after that. Learn how to put down some food and up the intensity in your training. And don't give the excuse "but I do eat a lot, I swear". You are 170 lbs at 6'0 ft. Please start eating anything in sight.
Sorry if that was a bit harsh, gl on your bulking goals in 2011.

I'm not trying to achieve the super bulky look though. I would like more strength, more upper body mass, and a 30 or 28 inch waist.

Originally Posted by Pancakes

I'm not trying to achieve the super bulky look though. I would like more strength, more upper body mass, and a 30 or 28 inch waist.

at six foot your waist should be atleast a 32.... and dont make me laugh super bulky look...steroids are not magic pills you are not going to get super bulky off one cycle. I would not worry about that and take the advice given. AND WAIT A COUPLE YEARS

There is a reason that people are telling you to wait man. The reason people take anabolics is to SIMULATE being your age with a little extra thrown on top. You have so much natty test running around your body right now that you would essentially be shutting your bodies natty production down for nothing. If you aren't growing right now at 19 with all that extra test, you won't grow with AAS. Period. I want you to take a sec and reread that. You. Will. Not. Grow. You have to learn how to eat and train first.

Seems more like you want to insist I don't know what I'm talking about. I have bulked and cut down a few times, very successfully, but I'm still unhappy with my appearance and strength.

But for those who are saying it is better to wait, I understand.

The waist thing really bothers me though.

Originally Posted by Pancakes

The waist thing really bothers me though.

dude im 5'11 180 now 10-13% bf with a 32-33 in waist and people tell me im too skinny...what do you think they would say about you???? Assuming your doing this at all for looks.. and even if you do know what your doing in the gym and as far as diet goes the only advice to give some one you age is EAT AND LIFT. So the reconmendation is not to belittle you but to provide you with sound advice. thats all

Originally Posted by Pancakes

Seems more like you want to insist I don't know what I'm talking about. I have bulked and cut down a few times, very successfully, but I'm still unhappy with my appearance and strength.

But for those who are saying it is better to wait, I understand.

The waist thing really bothers me though.

Bro in my cycle log in my signature I was rocking a 36 in waist with visible abs. Don't sweat it. Different people have different physical makeups. I am not saying that you don't know what you are doing, I am only telling you that AAS is a waste of time with the amount of test your body is currently producing.

Originally Posted by Pancakes

Seems more like you want to insist I don't know what I'm talking about. I have bulked and cut down a few times, very successfully, but I'm still unhappy with my appearance and strength.

But for those who are saying it is better to wait, I understand.

The waist thing really bothers me though.

you don't know what you are talking about, that's the problem. You stated in your original post that you are between 10-14% bf? how do you not know the difference between sub 10 and 14 %? Seriously, no one is trying to give you a hard time, just better educate yourself before you start becoming a pin cushion.

P.S. 6'0 at 170 is a twig. Almost girly like lol

Because bf% looks different for everyone and I've never used a caliper and tested my own bf%. I'm not ripped to shreds but I'm not chub. It's a weird look that I don't like. 10-12%.

I guess I just hate my body in general.

Originally Posted by Pancakes

Because bf% looks different for everyone and I've never used a caliper and tested my own bf%. I'm not ripped to shreds but I'm not chub. It's a weird look that I don't like. 10-12%.

you're probably skinny fat. Post some pics up and maybe a few members here can give you some advice. Like I said, start following a good diet and lifting heavy. IMO you need to gain a few lbs and wait a few years before you jump into AAS.
Good luck

Originally Posted by Pancakes

I guess I just hate my body in general.

Bro. I hate to hear a guy your age with that attitude. I'm 5'9. I would love to be 6'0 and there is nothing I can do about it, but I don't hate my body because of it. We are who we are.

However, the beautiful thing about training with a proper diet is that you can sculpt your body however you want it to look. This is where you have a huge advantage, you just don't realize it. You're like a lump of wet clay right now bro, all primed up to be sculpted into a Greek statue. You're test levels are through the roof, your young, you have ridiculous energy and you have a great height and size to work from. I would have loved to have been 6' and 170 at 19. Instead, I was 5'9 and 140. Imagine that. Ha! You'd never know it now. I busted my ass for four years eating right and training hard (granted, the Marine Corps helped out). I blew up to 155 in 3 months and then 185 over the next 3 years. That was all natural test levels. I didn't do my first cycle until 23 and some might say that was even too young.

Anyway, go to the training board and the nutrition board and focus there for the next 3 or 4 years. Then revisit aas if you still desire. Again, some would say that's still too young.

Good luck. And remember, you're like a big huge bear with huge fangs and claws trying to catch the bunny. But you've got these huge fangs and claws and you don't know what to do with them. You don't know how to catch the bunny.

They way u posted yout cycle layout told us u dont know wat your talking about, u need to read lots more, wait a few years more, and learn how to eat the right stuff and more of it! Buuut u will do wat u want so the best of luck, but read more b4 u start your cycle if u have the gear already

Wow, you can do everything you want without touching a thing.
You have basically admitted your afraid to eat because you want a girls waist size.
Eat and train.
You have not balked and cut successfully because your 6'0 and 170
My wife is 5'11" 145 and just about has abs. And your only 25 lbs heavier and an inch taller.
Seriously, good routine and diet. You will get to where you want. Aas will be a waste. Your gonna keep the same diet and not gain a lb.

I would definitely say that I'm not skinny fat.

Picture from a bulk from last year:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/0202112146a.jpg/

now:

ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting


How is a 30" a girl's waist size?

And if my cycle is wrong, then why don't you correct it?

Originally Posted by Pancakes

And if my cycle is wrong, then why don't you correct it?

Because no one wants to help a 19 year old kid fuck themselves up for life by encouraging them to cycle too early.

Originally Posted by Pancakes

I would definitely say that I'm not skinny fat.

Picture from a bulk from last year:
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting

now:

ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting
ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting


How is a 30" a girl's waist size?

You are young and very thin. You need to listen to the feedback and understand that people here are trying to help. Victor has been training seriously for a very long time, as have I. many other experienced guys are giving you very good advice here. You have a good frame to start with, and you need to train hard with basic compound movements for a few more years to build a framework. Becoming well versed in diet and training is crucial before thinking about anabolics. At 19, your body is naturally producing hormones at a very high rate. Start in the training forum and lay out your entire routine and see what you can learn. Then try the diet forum and fine tune your diet. Finally, get in the gym and train hard and regularly. You can still make tremendous progress naturally, and there is always time for anabolics later. You need to reach your full natural potential before thinking about drugs.

The worst thing is knowing people who have gotten tremendous results from using steroids while I've been training harder and smarter than they ever did yet they look better than I do, though their steroid strength gains have went away and I would say I am much stronger than they are now but they were doing ridiculous numbers at one point in time.

I hate how long it takes to progress naturally too, even with good discipline.

Originally Posted by MDR

You are young and very thin. You need to listen to the feedback and understand that people here are trying to help. Victor has been training seriously for a very long time, as have I. many other experienced guys are giving you very good advice here. You have a good frame to start with, and you need to train hard with basic compound movements for a few more years to build a framework. Becoming well versed in diet and training is crucial before thinking about anabolics. At 19, your body is naturally producing hormones at a very high rate. Start in the training forum and lay out your entire routine and see what you can learn. Then try the diet forum and fine tune your diet. Finally, get in the gym and train hard and regularly. You can still make tremendous progress naturally, and there is always time for anabolics later. You need to reach your full natural potential before thinking about drugs.

^^^This

Originally Posted by Pancakes

The worst thing is knowing people who have gotten tremendous results from using steroids while I've been training harder and smarter than they ever did yet they look better than I do, though their steroid strength gains have went away and I would say I am much stronger than they are now but they were doing ridiculous numbers at one point in time.

I hate how long it takes to progress naturally too, even with good discipline.

Not to be a dick BUT, from the looks of your after pics you have not been hitting the weights at all! You have no vascularity at all! If the before pic is in fact you, then you was on a cycle then and have lost it! No way in hell you got that pumped then look the way you do now! The advice given by many in here is spot on, but as a few said you are going to do what you want, and if in fact you do a cycle of AAS, you will be back posting later how you wished you didn't!
Just my 2 cents, again, I don't mean to be a dick but you need to listen to your elders!

Exhaust every other possibility before deciding on AAS. Tweak your training, diet, what ever you have to before even thinking about a cycle. As others have stated, at 19 you have a shitload of test being naturally produced. Don't fuck that up by doing something you are not ready to do. Look at a 5/3/1 program, Rippetoes Starting Strength, read the nutrition section here, get that shit right first. Then in a few years, once you have a good base established, if you decide to do a cycle people here will help you.

Wow, yeah, you have so much more genetic potential right now its not even funny. Don't afraid to eat. Seriously. So what if you gain some fat, lose it after.
But you have a long way to go before considering any AAS use.
Like I said, as well as others, if you still don't eat while on, your still not going to make gains. It's just going to be a total waste. In many ways.
Your not gonna grow.
Your going to potentially do damage to yourself for the long term.
Hell at 27 I debate if I'm ready.
Listen to these guys. They are right

are you really 170? look even less. id suggest that you check out diet section get a good diet. check out the training section get a good routine down. try that 100% committed for awhile and see where your at in 6 months a year. just take it slow you may not want to do anything at that point. i thought like you when i first started juice is magic take a few shots and look like ronnie and jay. not how it works.

Dude. Just stop posting and start reading. Your attitude is horrible. And you look like you never touched a weight in your life. Trust us, just start eating more and lifting heavy and you will think us later. Even if you use a cycle and keep 15 lbs you will only be 6'0 185. That's still a terrible physique.
Again, gl with your goals, stay safe.

just remember we aren't profiting off telling you this stuff. We are just telling you are advice. Now you got 2 options you can be intelligent take our advice train hard eat good for awhile OR you can do what your going to do and possibly risk not ever getting a hardon naturally. stunt any growing you have left to do the list goes on for ever. Its not 100% fact you will get these sides but the risks are high.