Thread: Is this an incorrect stack?

you either cut or bulk, you cant do both
and dont take more than one oral in a cycle
are you gonna be using test in the cycle

Terrible. You choose one or the other, and I do not suggest running any of the orals alone.

Read first cycle and pct in the stickies above the threads

^^^^^

What he said

Its like trying to cut your diet down to the bare minimum to "lose weight" while doubling the intensity of your training to "build muscle" -- sending your body two different signals. The end result will be some a mediocre attempt at both and probably nothing like what you were looking for.

Yes, it's incorrect... completely incorrect. Time to hit the books again.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Terrible. You choose one or the other, and I do not suggest running any of the orals alone.

This^^^

TES-TOS-TER-ONE

fucking jesus

Originally Posted by Curlycat

I am totally new to juicing. I am wondering if it is wise to combine say, Dianabol (bulking) with Winstrol (cutting) use at the same time. Throw in some Anvar/Clen for fat loss... does the one not counteract the other, or do they actually work in harmony? In other words, will achieve your goal faster using all together than using one at a time?

Yeah dude - it's been said. If that kind of cycle worked well with no adverse health effects, we'd all be running it. Since you're "totally new to juicing", don't cycle anything until you have more knowledge in your arsenal. You don't need to know everything about juicing (nobody does) but you need to know that the above multi-oral cycle is a no-no. Also, you may be too young, your BF may be too high, you may be too skinny, you may not know enough about diet and rquired protein intake, etc. You won't get any specific recommendations without listing your stats.

Enuff said ^^^^ u the man, bigbird

Originally Posted by IanM4208

Enuff said ^^^^ u the man, bigbird

Thanks bro. There's many alpha men around here - I just happen to be one of them!!

Rick Drasin said he did that stack and loved it but he looks like shit now in his 60s. You would have 17 methyl estradiol pushing for water retention and C1 inhibitor pushing to dry up extracellular fluid retention along with a modest amount of anabolic action with some liver stress. Just for shits and giggles I'd like to see what the results would be. I'd guess at high dose dianabol would win the retention battle and winstrol might not might not make you achy. At a modest dose you might look pretty good. If I was going to do something that unconventional I would add a 200 mg/w test base and 20 mg/d Nolvadex. The test will make you feel better and the nolva will block some of the estrogenic effects and it works to reduce joint pain caused by winstrol. Otherwise a good 1st cycle is 400-500 mg/w test and an aromatase inhibitor to keep water retention lower and prevent gynocomastia.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

you either cut or bulk, you cant do both
and dont take more than one oral in a cycle
are you gonna be using test in the cycle

Bump. Light is spot on, take all the advice u can. Once u inject or consume there is no taking it out. Great mentors here just don't wear ur heart on ur sleeve. They can be mean at times. Ha-ha. It's all the test and tren they are running. Ha-ha!


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Chris

one oral at a time and just run test for your first cycle 500mg a week and the first thing that will determine if your cutting or bulking is your diet!!! read first cycle and pct

Originally Posted by LightBearer

you either cut or bulk, you cant do both
and dont take more than one oral in a cycle
are you gonna be using test in the cycle

So you are saying i cant gain size (bulk)while cutting fat? Not flaming just trying to understand.

Originally Posted by RAWS n More

So you are saying i cant gain size (bulk)while cutting fat? Not flaming just trying to understand.

With dat derr celltech anything possible

Originally Posted by RAWS n More

So you are saying i cant gain size (bulk)while cutting fat? Not flaming just trying to understand.

Thats not what im saying, sure if youre on mass amounts of gear and diet youl vut fat and build muscle, but whats the sense of bulking up and then cutting down in the same cycle? id much rather bulk up, maintain new found LBM, and then go on a cutter after ive solidified my gains.

Geez, loads of responses, THANX guys!

Here are my stats below. I have decided take a course 6 weeks of Dianabol. Going to take some liver protection. I also wanted to get Arimidex or Letrozole, but my contact said not needed? I am concerned about the bitch tits...

My stats:
1) 44 male
2) 1.75m (5.9ft) 65Kg (143 lbs) and Body fat about 13%
3) 5 Years consistent training
4) Never juiced (Supplements currently using - Herbal testosterone boosters (Epimedium, Icariin) and DMAA/Caffeine for energy/fat loss. Also using Finpecia daily finasteride 1mg.
5) Train 3 x week, medium to medium/heavy weights, full body workout for maintenance and bit of building/cutting. Diet good, medium/low carbs and protein supplementation.
6) Goal is to lose the last bit of belly fat, cutting and bulking up a little bit.

Soooo all you plan on cycling is Dianabol? I'm sorry but that isn't very optimal. There has been plenty of great advice given to you and for a first time user your cycle should be TEST ONLY.

For your first cycle, you are best doing a test only. 500mg/week is a good 1st cycle.

Stats first, height, weight, Bf, Goals for your cycle what are your trying to accomplish here. Read up Son!!!!!

Originally Posted by toothache

For your first cycle, you are best doing a test only. 500mg/week is a good 1st cycle.

I am planning my first cycle and the layout HeavyIron did is all you need, no questions just a perfect first cycle. Good you came here to ask so you don't run an all oral cycle, I can see your liver being thoroughly pissed at you since Winny is especially harsh on lipids.

you need to work on the actual workout also. 3 times a week doing a full body workout isn't your best option, especially on aas. there is plenty of opinion on this and aas here. no one is trying to brush you off butyou need better understanding of what to do and not to do and then the wealth of info will come pouring in to help you tweek a regimine thats right for you.

Only way to do it is to start with dbol and end it with winny... during 12wk test e cycle...

Week 1-4 dbol
Week 9-12 winny
Week 1-12 test e

It helps with the gains and gives a nice tight look at the end. I am a big fan of winny at the end of cycle...

Originally Posted by Cenetti

Only way to do it is to start with dbol and end it with winny... during 12wk test e cycle...

Week 1-4 dbol
Week 9-12 winny
Week 1-12 test e

It helps with the gains and gives a nice tight look at the end. I am a big fan of winny at the end of cycle...

^^ +1

This has worked well for me in the past

The thing is that you can't put stuff in your body trying to force opposing effects. Your body is designed to respond to what you put in and when you give it opposing messages, it may respond a little for a while, but will ultimately come up short on both goals.

Further you have to know the basics of how AAS works w/ your system.

Start here: First Cycle and PCT

Read & learn. You can't just read about different compounds and then assemble a stack based on the individual compounds and their effects. There some basic working assumptions that are encompassed by Heavy's post above. Among the most important things to know are 1) don't stack orals 2) don't cycle w/o test.

Also by the same rule -- you have to work w/ how your body works - if you can't produce large scale muscle growth with large scale cutting w/ a diet & training - you can't do it w/ drugs. Drugs can only supplement what your diet & training program is already doing now.

If you are very judicious w/ your diet you can do a slow, clean bulk that will allow you to grow while staying lean, but this is a slower process where you're giving up the large scale change in either direction for some smaller scale gains in both directions.

Originally Posted by Curlycat

Geez, loads of responses, THANX guys!

Here are my stats below. I have decided take a course 6 weeks of Dianabol. Going to take some liver protection. I also wanted to get Arimidex or Letrozole, but my contact said not needed? I am concerned about the bitch tits...

My stats:
1) 44 male
2) 1.75m (5.9ft) 65Kg (143 lbs) and Body fat about 13%
3) 5 Years consistent training
4) Never juiced (Supplements currently using - Herbal testosterone boosters (Epimedium, Icariin) and DMAA/Caffeine for energy/fat loss. Also using Finpecia daily finasteride 1mg.
5) Train 3 x week, medium to medium/heavy weights, full body workout for maintenance and bit of building/cutting. Diet good, medium/low carbs and protein supplementation.
6) Goal is to lose the last bit of belly fat, cutting and bulking up a little bit.

good grief, 143lbs with 13% bodyfat is not an ideal starting point for AAS...

You need mass bro, I'd say bulk naturally for a while to at least 160 but you most likely won't do that. Plus you're 44 so test levels are not on your side. Run a simple 500mg a week test cycle for 10 weeks, .25mg adex every day. Train 5x a week with a split routine. EAT EAT EAT, you will not grow if you don't eat.

It's possible to lose fat and gain muscle if you're using pretty hefty doses of AAS, but that isn't for you yet. You don't have the muscle to start cutting anything IMO. And btw you shouldn't run any oral by itself, that's a pretty set in stone rule. Besides at your age testosterone will do wonders for you in every way, even moreso than for us young guys lol.