Ever hear of a Total Test level this high??!!

**BigBird** · 08-06-2011, 02:42 PM

My TT: 2,206!! Doc said he's never heard of a level so high and then I cracked a remark that "at least I know the gear I've been using is legit." He got a kick out of that and shook his head. Anyone know of a TT being 2,206??? I expected something in the 1,200 range or so but the 2,206 surprised me indeed. Additional other readings are listed below. I can scan and post actual report on Monday from work just so nobody can accuse me of exaggerating, etc.

** Results from JULY testosterone and thyroid panel

**T3: >50 (normal 22-35)
**T4: 2.8 (normal 4.5 - 12.0 mcg/dL)
**Free Test: >5.00 (normal for males 20-49yrs 0.95-4.30 ng/dL)
**Total Test: 2206

(normal 241-827 ng/dL)

I guess we know who the REAL Alpha Male is now, eh boys? lol

**Below results are from lab work done in JUNE (test levels not done in June).

**Total Cholesterol: 238 (normal 125-200 mg/dL)
**HDL: 8

(should be >/= 40mg/dL)

**LDL: 198 (normal <130 mg/dL)
**Triglycerides: 162 (normal <150 mg/dL)
**CHOL/HDLC Ratio: 29.8 (normal </= 5.0)
**T3: >50
**T4: 3.7
**RDW: 15.6 (normal 11.0 - 15.0)
Liver Values -
**AST: 61 (normal 10-40 U/L)
**ALT: 67 (normal 9-60)

**heavyiron** · 08-06-2011, 02:51 PM

I saw a total T in the 9,000's once. =)

I know one of the mods here was in the 5,000's as well.

**bmw** · 08-06-2011, 03:28 PM

seen much higher.

**ovr40** · 08-06-2011, 03:30 PM

my natural is 884

**ovr40** · 08-06-2011, 03:31 PM

bad typing 844

**Livebig14** · 08-06-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I saw a total T in the 9,000's once. =)

I know one of the mods here was in the 5,000's as well.

and how much gear was the guy running?

**bmw** · 08-06-2011, 04:10 PM

how much gears was OP running?

**FordFan** · 08-06-2011, 05:03 PM

whats your cycle BigBird?

**Vibrant** · 08-06-2011, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by bmw

how much gears was OP running?

Would like to know this as well.

**BigBird** · 08-06-2011, 08:56 PM

Been running Test Cyp/ Enan for 10 months. Majority of the time at 500mg EW but there have been peaks of 750mg EW for a month or two back in the Spring. First couple of months stacked Deca at 400mg, and about 5 months of EQ at 625mg. Then, continued Test while running several cycles of different orals. Back in May added Winstrol Depot and Tren. Next, ended the Winny and replaced it with Masteron. Ended the Masteron in early July and have continued Test at 500-625mg EW. Started Tren Ace (Axio) last week. May add either Primo or Turinabol soon. Have used Arimidex as AI and also Proviron majority of the time.

** As previously mentioned, I have been blasting for quite some time fully aware of the risks. I do not, nor have I ever, advised anyone - Newbies or otherwise - to blast for so long.

**BigBird** · 08-06-2011, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I saw a total T in the 9,000's once. =)

I know one of the mods here was in the 5,000's as well.

!!!! Hot Damn Sam !!!! 5K? Really?! I cannot even formulate a response to the "9K" you saw. I'm guessing that would require months on end of blasting 2,000mg+ of Test EW (along with other stuff)

. Either that or you'd have to a bowl of "lamb fries" with each meal.

**Noheawaiian** · 08-06-2011, 09:14 PM

I had a former client that's test levels had spiked to 4,000.
But as for this 9,000 shit, I call B.S.

**BigBird** · 08-06-2011, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

I had a former client that's test levels had spiked to 4,000.
But as for this 9,000 shit, I call B.S.

What would be the compounds and doses, etc that support a 4K TT level - let a lone a 9K level. I'm thinking it's as simple as taking larger doses of aas. No other tricks involved. I'm fine with my own 2206 but just curious how high doses would have to be to acquire such a TT (with the understanding individual results may vary).

**Vibrant** · 08-06-2011, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Been running Test Cyp/ Enan for 10 months. Majority of the time at 500mg EW but there have been peaks of 750mg EW for a month or two back in the Spring. First couple of months stacked Deca at 400mg, and about 5 months of EQ at 625mg. Then, continued Test while running several cycles of different orals. Back in May added Winstrol Depot and Tren. Next, ended the Winny and replaced it with Masteron. Ended the Masteron in early July and have continued Test at 500-625mg EW. Started Tren Ace (Axio) last week. May add either Primo or Turinabol soon. Have used Arimidex as AI and also Proviron majority of the time.

** As previously mentioned, I have been blasting for quite some time fully aware of the risks. I do not, nor have I ever, advised anyone - Newbies or otherwise - to blast for so long.

Holy shit, that's a lot of gear. Your bank account must take a pretty big hit each month from all the "medicine".

**heckler7** · 08-07-2011, 03:21 AM

holy schnapps 10 months, why the long cycle? did you forget to pct? or are you not a quitter.

**BigBird** · 08-07-2011, 09:26 AM

Wouldn't run such kind of an extended blast if I couldn't afford it. Luckily my Ivy league diploma earns me good $ (not really Ivy league). I guess I'm just "not a quitter." In competition with myself. Blasting will most likely end this fall and I'll have to make decision to either cruise or run pct. In a way, looking forward to the end of blasting as it takes a toll if not more mentally than physically. to be determined...

**dub** · 08-07-2011, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

I had a former client that's test levels had spiked to 4,000.
But as for this 9,000 shit, I call B.S.

I agree 9,000 is BS.

**AnabollicA** · 08-07-2011, 06:36 PM

I was cruising on 200mg/wk of test enanthate and my blood levels were 1855...My endo was like "WTF"? LOL

So the 2200 range doesn't seem far off from that...

**heavyiron** · 08-07-2011, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

!!!! Hot Damn Sam !!!! 5K? Really?! I cannot even formulate a response to the "9K" you saw. I'm guessing that would require months on end of blasting 2,000mg+ of Test EW (along with other stuff)

. Either that or you'd have to a bowl of "lamb fries" with each meal.

ParadiseCup probably still has the labs so I could have him chime in if you want. I think he was on about 1,200mg total aas per week if memory serves but keep in mind that the blood draw in relation to the inject is a huge factor in seeing results this high. Basically there is a major spike the day following a cyp or enanthate inject that drops off so if you pin a big dose and then get labs the following day the Total T will be quite high. The same guy can get labs a week later and have a much lower Total T. Anyway his total T was in the 5,000's.

Not sure I can mention who the other guy is but he's a member here as well. He was on very high doses of Testosterone.

**heavyiron** · 08-07-2011, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Noheawaiian

I had a former client that's test levels had spiked to 4,000.
But as for this 9,000 shit, I call B.S.

LOL, this just shows how inexperienced you actually are in regards to Total T labs with bodybuilders.

**heavyiron** · 08-07-2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

What would be the compounds and doses, etc that support a 4K TT level - let a lone a 9K level. I'm thinking it's as simple as taking larger doses of aas. No other tricks involved. I'm fine with my own 2206 but just curious how high doses would have to be to acquire such a TT (with the understanding individual results may vary).

There's a study showing Total T levels in a group of men using 600mg Cypionate per week. The blood draw was 7 days after their inject and they still had Total T levels above 2,300ng/dl on average. Therefore your results are quite normal and nothing out of the ordinary.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men

**Woodrow1** · 08-07-2011, 07:24 PM

**Glycomann** · 08-07-2011, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Been running Test Cyp/ Enan for 10 months. Majority of the time at 500mg EW but there have been peaks of 750mg EW for a month or two back in the Spring. First couple of months stacked Deca at 400mg, and about 5 months of EQ at 625mg. Then, continued Test while running several cycles of different orals. Back in May added Winstrol Depot and Tren. Next, ended the Winny and replaced it with Masteron. Ended the Masteron in early July and have continued Test at 500-625mg EW. Started Tren Ace (Axio) last week. May add either Primo or Turinabol soon. Have used Arimidex as AI and also Proviron majority of the time.

** As previously mentioned, I have been blasting for quite some time fully aware of the risks. I do not, nor have I ever, advised anyone - Newbies or otherwise - to blast for so long.

that explains the single digit HDL. Running any T3? Your thyroid numbers are whack!!

**Glycomann** · 08-07-2011, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

LOL, this just shows how inexperienced you actually are in regards to Total T labs with bodybuilders.

REmember Vadim.. poor bastard? I think he and a couple of his buddies were over 9000 at certain points. Good luck finding a lab that does the dilution and retests though.

**BigBird** · 08-07-2011, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

There's a study showing Total T levels in a group of men using 600mg Cypionate per week. The blood draw was 7 days after their inject and they still had Total T levels above 2,300ng/dl on average. Therefore your results are quite normal and nothing out of the ordinary.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men

Hmmm, ok interesting stuff and it makes sense about higher T levels the day after an inject. Didn't think about that so my 2,206 is just a snapshot - assuming I pinned earlier that day or the day before (which is quite likely lol).

**heavyiron** · 08-07-2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Hmmm, ok interesting stuff and it makes sense about higher T levels the day after an inject. Didn't think about that so my 2,206 is just a snapshot - assuming I pinned earlier that day or the day before (which is quite likely lol).

Snapshot is a good word. That's exactly how I would describe it since there's going to be fluctuations throughout the week.

You need to seriously think about ditching the orals for a while. Your lipids are trashed brother.

**BigBird** · 08-07-2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Glycomann

that explains the single digit HDL. Running any T3? Your thyroid numbers are whack!!

Yeah my doc definately made me very aware that an HDL of 8 is not good but he said it's reasonable to believe that the cholesterol will improve as long as I stop blasting (especially orals) in the near future. I've had a "hangup" about taking anything to alter thyroid function; that's why I haven't used any T3. Meant to bring this up to Doc but didn't. Would it make sense to use T3 at this point especially if I'm ceasing use of the toxic orals?

**BigBird** · 08-07-2011, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Snapshot is a good word. That's exactly how I would describe it since there's going to be fluctuations throughout the week.

You need to seriously think about ditching the orals for a while. Your lipids are trashed brother.

Regarding the cessation of orals - is it the 17a/a that must/should be stopped immediately or is it all orals including the "harmless" ones (if there is such a thing) such as Proviron or even Primobolan tabs? Just curious while we're on the subject...

**heavyiron** · 08-07-2011, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Regarding the cessation of orals - is it the 17a/a that must/should be stopped immediately or is it all orals including the "harmless" ones (if there is such a thing) such as Proviron or even Primobolan tabs? Just curious while we're on the subject...

17 alpha-alkylated orals need to be stopped and NOT resumed until the HDL/LDL ratio is in an acceptable range.

**Glycomann** · 08-07-2011, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Regarding the cessation of orals - is it the 17a/a that must/should be stopped immediately or is it all orals including the "harmless" ones (if there is such a thing) such as Proviron or even Primobolan tabs? Just curious while we're on the subject...

Just for a quick snapshot of my own, I was using orals for a while on my last jag. I had bloods done 11 weeks after coming off and my HDL was already in the 50s after being in the low 20s so it can come back pretty fast once you come off. It doesn't come back as fast for me just on a cruise though. It also helps to do some intense cardio activity too.

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