Thread: First cycle Tren Prop Mast/ Please help newbie

My suggestion is if your getting the stack at a great price then buy it and put it away for next year. Read the Sticky's and stick with the recommended FIRST CYCLE. Its not only proven, but until you know how you react to certain compounds you should do them solo first.

But your not going to listen so good luck!!!

Originally Posted by grneyes

Age: 32
Height 6'2
Weight 230
Bodyfat unsure I added a pic prob 15%
Lifting Experience 17 years
Diet pretty spot on as well as cardio

Ive never done any anabolics, but ive come to the point where I have completely plateuad and would like to see what a lil chemical help can bring. I know most will say nay regarding the tren do to the side effects but im getting a hell of a deal on the particular stack i above mentioned. Due to my proffesion I need to be agile so im basically looking to add some lean muscle and cut up. Ive researched many websites to include this one but never really had the balls to post or actually do a cycle. But the time has come, so please any feed back whatsoever to include the Gen Shi lab also will be greatly appreciated.

Gen Shi cut stack-- test P 50mg/ml, tren Ace 50mg/ml, Masteron 50mg/ml blend
basically 50mg's of each e0d.


During cycle Arimidex .25ml ed
PCT iNolvid 25mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, and hcg
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There are a lot of things wrong with your proposed cycle. Firstly, you NEVER want to run Tren on your first cycle. First cycle should be test only at 500mg/wk.

Read this:

First Cycle and PCT

Originally Posted by grneyes

Age: 32
Height 6'2
Weight 230
Bodyfat unsure I added a pic prob 15%
Lifting Experience 17 years
Diet pretty spot on as well as cardio

Ive never done any anabolics, but ive come to the point where I have completely plateuad and would like to see what a lil chemical help can bring. I know most will say nay regarding the tren do to the side effects but im getting a hell of a deal on the particular stack i above mentioned. Due to my proffesion I need to be agile so im basically looking to add some lean muscle and cut up. Ive researched many websites to include this one but never really had the balls to post or actually do a cycle. But the time has come, so please any feed back whatsoever to include the Gen Shi lab also will be greatly appreciated.

Gen Shi cut stack-- test P 50mg/ml, tren Ace 50mg/ml, Masteron 50mg/ml blend
basically 50mg's of each e0d.


During cycle Arimidex .25ml ed
PCT iNolvid 25mg ed, clomid 50mg ed, and hcg
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Please list out your diet and cardio, spot on says nothing really. EOD will lead to unstable blood levels. Where is the D/A? Why two SERMS? Why nolva which downregulates igf-1?

This honestly has disaster written all over it, you'll do it anyhow so good luck.

Guys if he's looking for advice it means he's considering not doing it. Lets give the dude some credit and hope he listens to reason. It's what he's here for.

Just wanna add in the Genshi is good shit!!

HCG throughout cycle and not for PCT. Run Adex through cycle and PCT, I'd run caber or prami for the tren (for the prolactin)... and personally, I'd run at lleast another 50mg of prop eod.

Run test and an ai. You can easily cut and become way more agile on that. Mast does little good if your bodyfat isn't already low. I've heard tren's side effects can seriously fuck with your head.

500mg test/week is AMAZING, and if it's your first cycle you will be blown away. You will feel like there is foreign shit in your blood and will be in a great mood all the time, you can gain muscle and losing fat like crazy. Do NOT underestimate the power of a test only cycle and definitely do not underestimate the side effects of tren.

How much $? If you don't mind me asking...

I want to start by thanking every one for the advice I had my heart on the stack but im 32 and have learned an amazing thing called patience lol. Im gonna buy the stack and just keep it, perhaps use it later or give it to a friend. Im gonna get my hands on some prop and do 150 mg eod. Do you think that will be enough, and any advice on which ai to take it with? Once again thank all of you. For CT diet is eat every three hours mostly chicken breast, fish and lean meat. All carbs coming from complex carbs, brown rice, oatmeal and veggies. Cardio is basically 5 days a week morning and lift in the afternoon. Any other advice on that stack will still be great, im not going to do it now and ill post pics with this prop cycle but lets not bs each other im prob gonna do the other one at a later time.

Originally Posted by grneyes

I want to start by thanking every one for the advice I had my heart on the stack but im 32 and have learned an amazing thing called patience lol. Im gonna buy the stack and just keep it, perhaps use it later or give it to a friend. Im gonna get my hands on some prop and do 150 mg eod. Do you think that will be enough, and any advice on which ai to take it with? Once again thank all of you. For CT diet is eat every three hours mostly chicken breast, fish and lean meat. All carbs coming from complex carbs, brown rice, oatmeal and veggies. Cardio is basically 5 days a week morning and lift in the afternoon. Any other advice on that stack will still be great, im not going to do it now and ill post pics with this prop cycle but lets not bs each other im prob gonna do the other one at a later time.

And that's fine, you should. I think the reasons why everyone is telling you to wait on it is because you are missing some important things in there and the last thing anyone wants to see happen is another case of gyno or worse.

Safety is the number one issue, we have to rely on one another from previous experiences, so mistakes don't happen to "new guys".

AI=aromasin 12.5 eod on cycle. i would go with a long ester for the first cycle test C or E 2x a week

Originally Posted by CT

And that's fine, you should. I think the reasons why everyone is telling you to wait on it is because you are missing some important things in there and the last thing anyone wants to see happen is another case of gyno or worse.

Safety is the number one issue, we have to rely on one another from previous experiences, so mistakes don't happen to "new guys".

^^^This

Bro, we have a First Cycle sticky, so that people such as yourself can do a cycle of anabolics and not hurt themselves. AAS are powerful hormones that effect many different parts of your physiology. You can't just jump into them blind.

150mg of prop eod is good, but since this is your first cycle, you may want to cut that to 100mg eod. You'll get great results with that amount of test for your first cycle.

Run an AI, aromasin 12.5 ED while on your cycle. This will keep the estrogen sides at bay, as test aromatizes to estrogen in your blood stream.

You should also run hcg 250-500iu x2/wk. This makes recovery easier and stops your nuts from shrinking.

Your PCT should be clomid and aromasin for 4 weeks dosed 100/100/75/50 and 25/25/12.5/12.5, respectively. Your PCT will start 3-5 days after your last injection of prop.

Honestly, if I were you...I would follow the advice in First Cycle and PCT, and run test e or c at 500mg/wk, and follow my suggestions above for on cycle support and PCT. Except, you will be starting your PCT 2 weeks after your last Test e inject, not 3-5 days as with prop.

Once again you guys are awesome thank u, safety is imperative plus It is what it is im asking for help you guys obviously know your shit so in this case im the, "Daniel son" lol GMO im gonna take your advice and run that cycle as you outlined, I read the thread you outline as far as cycle and pct thanks bro. Chucky 1, im gonna stick to the prop due to the water retention and im looking for a leaner look and strength of a fucken bull, but appreciate the comment. CT ill be hitting you up after this cycle for some advice on my next one.

I was thinking of doing the cycle GMO outlined for 12 weeks, should I increase the amout after the 8th week? Sorry about all the questions.

Originally Posted by grneyes

Once again you guys are awesome thank u, safety is imperative plus It is what it is im asking for help you guys obviously know your shit so in this case im the, "Daniel son" lol GMO im gonna take your advice and run that cycle as you outlined, I read the thread you outline as far as cycle and pct thanks bro. Chucky 1, im gonna stick to the prop due to the water retention and im looking for a leaner look and strength of a fucken bull, but appreciate the comment. CT ill be hitting you up after this cycle for some advice on my next one.

gmo and ct are some of the top dogs around here listen to there advice and you will be gtg...

Originally Posted by grneyes

I was thinking of doing the cycle GMO outlined for 12 weeks, should I increase the amout after the 8th week? Sorry about all the questions.

No need. You'll be cool at 500mg if your diet is really "Spot-on"

Alright last question, I obviously want to add some quality muscle but shred up also. What do you think of adding a lil clen to my cycle?

Clem and t3 works very well on cycle. The test helps prevent catabolism.

Either you bulk or you cut. Adding a thermogenic into a bulk cycle isn't the best idea. You're trying to do everything at once. Concentrate on your diet if you want to lose BF. Eat clean but still eat 3.5-4k calories and you'll be just fine bro.

A lot of people run clen/t3 in order to keep gains on a bulk cycle lean. Bulking is all calorie intake anyway. I'd get off well before pct tho sO recovery is easier. I was actually quite surprised at how many logs On this forum include clen.