Thread: Why do some shots hurt????????

Im shooting test e at 400mg per ml and I'm getting no pain. So, I don't agree with you that most 250mg hurt but everything Else is a good read.

I hear you. But everyones body reacts different and I know that young users always get nervous and have many questions after they inject. Was just trying to provide a base line to help them with. Thanks for your input Vibrant!

This should be stickied for newbs like myself.

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Originally Posted by Chrisotpherm

I hear you. But everyones body reacts different and I know that young users always get nervous and have many questions after they inject. Was just trying to provide a base line to help them with. Thanks for your input Vibrant!

It was a good read and provides a pretty good baseline for new users.

Thanks bro. That's what I love about IM, is there is so many users willingness to help.


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Chris

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

This should be stickied for newbs like myself.

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Thanks bro. A lot if great bro's in here with great knowledge and willing to mentor. You just have to have thick skin every once in a while. Lok


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Chris

I've noticed something since I started pinning, might be completely irrelevant, but oh well.

I noticed when I hold the needle 100% completely still, I would get no pain.

When I accidentally move it around or it shakes even the smallest bit, I get some sick nasty pain the next day.

Could it be the needle moves inside muscle.. causing tiny tears that hurt like a bitch for 3 days? Maybe. either way, no pain no gain right.

Originally Posted by Chrisotpherm

WHY DO SOME SHOTS HURT????????


High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know ?

1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester
the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg
per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is
also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while
you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less
actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are
some examples:

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64

This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml
you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the
weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like
a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester
is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg
per ml solvent concentrations.

This brings up the next point; PAIN!

Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons.
One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over
about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY
inflammatory to the tissues. That?s why you want ONLY
enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much
that it causes inflammation.

The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the
depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions
feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST,
leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN.
Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If
you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and
make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the
oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body
absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the
gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the
depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum
solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into
solution than you could otherwise, but not so much
that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are
correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole
depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt.
Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS
NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5
cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It
IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone
search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's
the damn holy grail???

What is too high?

Well the length of the ester is
really what determines that but most of us here know
the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests
over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250
mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren
at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about
what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are
designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper
for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits
instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT
YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote
the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.



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Chris

^^^That is a good post.

Although, I do disagree on the "tests above 250mg" thing. I've had test e dosed at 300mg and it was smooth as hell.

Good to know GMO, your info will help some folks who are new to the game.


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Chris

Originally Posted by MrSaturatedFat

I've noticed something since I started pinning, might be completely irrelevant, but oh well.

I noticed when I hold the needle 100% completely still, I would get no pain.

When I accidentally move it around or it shakes even the smallest bit, I get some sick nasty pain the next day.

Could it be the needle moves inside muscle.. causing tiny tears that hurt like a bitch for 3 days? Maybe. either way, no pain no gain right.

I'm am sure this has a lot to do with it as well. As you all know the further into the muscle you go the tougher it is on hand steadiness and some pain from needle depth. So this is good info too.


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Chris

good post, it answered some questions I had.

Originally Posted by MrSaturatedFat

I've noticed something since I started pinning, might be completely irrelevant, but oh well.

I noticed when I hold the needle 100% completely still, I would get no pain.

When I accidentally move it around or it shakes even the smallest bit, I get some sick nasty pain the next day.

Could it be the needle moves inside muscle.. causing tiny tears that hurt like a bitch for 3 days? Maybe. either way, no pain no gain right.

interesting, I'm gonna take notice the next several pins to see if this is true

Originally Posted by heckler7

interesting, I'm gonna take notice the next several pins to see if this is true

Let us know heckler, to help everryone further in their curiosity.


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Chris

I can confirm that. Anytime I inject and I don't hold the syringe with the skill of a brain surgeon it will hurt for about 3 days. Haven't tried a concentration over 200 mg/ml so I can't comment on the higher concentrations directly causing painful injects.

Very nice post! I inject test e 300mg/ml in my present cycle, doesnt hurt a bit, I guess its also a subjective thing:

First time I pinned Test E400 and EQ300 in the same syringe into ventro glues it was a small pain for about two days..... after about the third pin I feel nothing!

Hmmmmm................What makes shots hurt?

Please give the original poster credit.

Wow Zech I didn't know you had posted this. Wasn't trying to steal your thunder bro or take any credit from doom. I received my info from BOP. I guess new information is old information re-visited.


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Chris

i normally hap-hazzardly stick myself, so i concentrated on keeping the pin straight. didn't feel the needle going in but you still feel the shot. I did 2 shots gonna pay more attention and see how it is after a few more shots.

Drew,
There is no reason to come in here bashing like the rest of your post. Please be respectful to all.


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Chris

90% UGL always give big big pain!

over 90% Human gear NEVER give pain!

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

90% UGL always give big big pain!

over 90% Human gear NEVER give pain!

Aren't 90% of your products ugl?

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Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

Aren't 90% of your products ugl?

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Eagle say what you want but I guarantee you won't have any under dosed gear or have to worry about shipping!!!


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Chris

When I used Asia Pharma Winny this past spring for the first time I was shocked when I had no injection site pain while injecting eod. No pain with a waterbased winny that is very impressive. Very very smooth. Until you try a few water based compounds it is hard to appreciate the true quality of the AP winny. I have had suspension that made me so sore at the injection site that I had to stop using it.

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

Aren't 90% of your products ugl?

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maybe for you YES.

but for someone who know something NOT!

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

maybe for you YES.

but for someone who know something NOT!

Bump. WP is 100% g2g. You have so many senior members sounding off in the quality of his gear. Just as TGB said smooth going in and amazing results!!!


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