Thread: First go at some Peptides

100mcg of GHRP-6 and CJC1293 3x/day is what I think I'm going to run at the end of my cycle through PCT and beyond.

Im interested in peptides too but I don't know much, so I will be watching this thread.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

100mcg of GHRP-6 and CJC1293 3x/day is what I think I'm going to run at the end of my cycle through PCT and beyond.

^^^This

One shot PWO, pre-bed and AM.

You will find the following qouted post from Dat himself to be VERY enlightening. Its about dosage frequency.

"Optimally? Perhaps. But I also feel that ones approach should be as follows:

Obtain a healthy healing profile & restore a youthful GH release profile. With GH I define the age where you feel declining GH levels as 27+ and the age were your pulses become less pronounced as 30-35, and the age where the pulses become more chaotic (and levels further declined as 40-45 and the point where you have utter disorder that impacts the immune system, ability to retain muscle and heal as 55+.

On top of this we have declining mineral bone densities which are most pronounced in women post reproductive years and aging men as well.

We also have lessened ability to create the proper liver-made enzymes which allow us to deal with environmental & food borne assaults as well as internal hormonal metabolism. This I feel is most pronounced w/ women of mid-age but can happen to all of us especially if we use synthetic GH for periods of time.

Restorative sleep is important. I use to leave it at that, but after spending a year plus w/ oxygen deprivation in my sleep and experiencing break down I now feel that it is paramount. GH nightime pulse is not responsible for health in total. It can be undermined by sleep apnea and such, but it is a huge determinant of slow waver sleep during which healing can occur if everything else is in check.

We also have restoration of somatostatin tone. By that I mean pulses look better even when GHRPs are not in the system. If you use these peptides for a while even just once a day you will have better pulses (of normal amplitude & duration) the rest of the day.

It is like using a stone to create ripples in a lake. The first ripple is larger but the rest not so much HOWEVER there are well defined rolling ripples. Through a huge boulder makes a big splash but creates chatoic wave patterns.... thats not what you want.

So all of these things are basic health and can be addressed with a saturation dose of Mod GRF(1-29)/GHRP prebed. That creates an optimal environment for health.

Adding a 2nd dosing will add some healing power and some protein metabolism effects as well as lipolysis which will only be beneficial if those released fats are used.

When you add a 3rd & 4th dosing you begin to not only increase local IGF-1 and other factors but you also increase systemic IGF-1. This can result in higher levels but still in a physiological range. This type of dosing gives you more time in which lypolysis is active and when protein metabolism and anti-catabolism is increased.

When you go to 5-6 dosings you now will have higher levels of IGF-1 systemically. This begins to tamper with the optimizing health goal. It does not cause any problems BUT higher levels of systemic IGF-1 is correlated w/ increased cancer risk. At the 6x per day dosing you have the same risks as if you were dosing higher levels of GH. Pulsations are not of benefit at 6-7 times a day dosings. You will be relying on jacked IGF-1 profiles (local & systemic).

However 5-6 times per day dosing probably adds to hypertrophy significantly in several ways. First it increase the factors involved in increasing satellite cell pool and their release. Second Ghrelin (and the GHRPs) are capable of differentiating and fusion into the existing muscle cell framework. This is a direct action. In addition increased IGF-1 locally will benefit the process. Adding AAS into this mix should create either an additive benefit or in some cases synergistic. At the same time pulsation remains and bone and connective tissue will benefit much more then if we have elevations. Some of insulin's anti-lypolytic effect can be overcome however food quantity will determine the net effect. So the "ability to stay leaner" effect is active.

However the side effects can be high. To some extent (for some but not all aspects of intracellular signaling and receptor biogenesis and expression) there can come a desensitization.

So that is the framework.

I apologize for the length of the post but I have decided against one or two line answers from now on when I think the answer is better served with more discussion and handing the decision making power in regard to implementation over to the questioner. "

^^^That is some damn good info

Good info bro thanks.

Anyone care to share what kind of results i should expect ?

Good info and post njc..!

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Good info bro thanks.

Anyone care to share what kind of results i should expect ?

The first thing you'll notice is that you'll sleep better. You'll have vivid dreams and very restful sleep. Next, I noticed a feeling of well being and more endurance in the gym. If you eat like a madman, you will also gain weight (GHRP-6 will help as it makes you hungry as hell). My boy is up 6lbs since starting his cycle a couple of weeks ago, and that it WITHOUT any anabolics...just CJC and GHRP. He has also reported strength gains across the board. He is running a log in the research forum, if you're interested.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Good info bro thanks.

Anyone care to share what kind of results i should expect ?

IME ,drowsiness,ability to eat 500-600g carbs while still leaning out, massive forearm and hand cramps/pumps,more efficient sleep, extreme localized leaning out of the abdominal,hip,leg area. Vastly improved workout recovery

Does the localized fat loss stay off after you discontinue usage?

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

100mcg of GHRP-6 and CJC1293 3x/day is what I think I'm going to run at the end of my cycle through PCT and beyond.

Personally, I would switch the 1293 for true cjc1295 (no dac) AKA mod grf 1-29. The ghrp-6 does increase hunger and is seen as more of a bulker. If you're looking for lean gains and less peptide caused hunger, go with ghrp-2

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their was an overall fatloss but it was most intense and immediate in the abdominals . Yes it stays off afterwards and also improves after water retention reduces. But afterwards you will have to lower your carbs

Isn't CJC 1293 mod grf?

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Does the localized fat loss stay off after you discontinue usage?

There is no localized Fat loss, What it does is free up fatty acids and mobilizes them, allowing the FFA's to be released into the blood stream, Ideally when this happens you can burn off that fat much quicker, also another benefit of FFA release is while it is mobilized it will prevent fat storage and when not on cycle, creates an anabolic environment, so even on calorie restricted diets you will not lose muscle just fat.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Isn't CJC 1293 mod grf?

CJC-1293 is GRF(1-29) it is not modified. Mich less stable and not near as powerful as Modified GRF

Good call ^^^ It's reggie GRF not Mod GRF.

I think everyone thinks it's localized because that's where most people hold fat at.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Isn't CJC 1293 mod grf?

No. Neither is CJC 1295. But unfortunately, its often marketed that way. What you want IS IN FACT Mod-grf. The vast majority of suppliers actually do not sell mod-grf....despite claiming that their CJC 1293 or CJC 1295 is modified GRF-1 when...when it actually is not. Ill try to find a link and post it here for better clarification.

Originally Posted by njc

No. Neither is CJC 1295. But unfortunately, its often marketed that way. What you want IS IN FACT Mod-grf. The vast majority of suppliers actually do not sell mod-grf....despite claiming that their CJC 1293 or CJC 1295 is modified GRF-1 when...when it actually is not. Ill try to find a link and post it here for better clarification.

Your correct, CJC-1295 w/o dac is not Mod Grf, but label claims that, it is hit or miss depending on the supplier weather you are indeed getting mod-grf or not.

I have Verified EP's CJC1295 w/o dac is indeed Mod-Grf(1-29)

These companies refer mod-grf to cjc-1295 w/o dac becasue many people think that is what it is and helps avoid confusion, but once you educate yourself on the use of these peps, and the make up you will know that, cjc 1295 w/o dac is technically not Mod-grf, but most are mod-grf just labeled as cjc.

Damn it give me a headache talking about it.

Also OP, if you are trying to decide between GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 there are a couple of things to consider. The GHRP-2 is SLIGHTLY stronger than 6 with regards to the pulse that it creates. However, it raises cortisol and prolactin a bit. Usually not to any problematic extent but sometimes the heightened cortisol can interfere with sound sleep, whereas the other GHRP's (ghrp-6, Ipamorelin, Hexarelin) promote deeper sleep. It seems that GHRP-2 can either help or hinder sleep depending upon the individual. Ipamorelin is probably the best with regards to promoting sound sleep. You COULD dose ghrp-2 twice per day during the day and then take the Ipamorelin at night. GHRP-2, also will not cause the increased hunger to the extent that 6 does. Despite that however, GHRP-2, does make ME a little hungry.

Think i willl got with the GHRP-6 and stack it with CJC1295 ?

Learning about these is a lot harder than AAS but its fun.
Thanks for the help guys.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Think i willl got with the GHRP-6 and stack it with CJC1295 ?

Learning about these is a lot harder than AAS but its fun.
Thanks for the help guys.

GHRP-6 is fine, Other than the nice appetite increase, it can cause gastric problems. I prefer GHRP-2 for bulking and cutting. and grab cjc 1295 w/o dac as that is your best bet as hopefully getting real mod-grf(1-29)

^^

I know what you mean blaze. It's fucking confusing. When are you going to start?

So does GHRP-6 instantly induce drowsiness or just easier to rest at the day's end?

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Think i willl got with the GHRP-6 and stack it with CJC1295 ?

Learning about these is a lot harder than AAS but its fun.
Thanks for the help guys.

For real!

Would someone mind (as briefly as possible or a link) explaining the uses of peptides? So far it sounds freaking nice!

I'm going to be watching this thread closely

Originally Posted by TJTJ

For real!

Would someone mind (as briefly as possible or a link) explaining the uses of peptides? So far it sounds freaking nice!

I'm going to be watching this thread closely

Heres some useful info
Datbtrue

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

GHRP-6 is fine, Other than the nice appetite increase, it can cause gastric problems. I prefer GHRP-2 for bulking and cutting. and grab cjc 1295 w/o dac as that is your best bet as hopefully getting real mod-grf(1-29)

Thanks again bro.
Finding the good stuff is quite tricky as not many people talk about it.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

^^

I know what you mean blaze. It's fucking confusing. When are you going to start?

Soon as i get my order when i make it.
Just finished PCT, Time to get to 220lb.

Originally Posted by njc

Heres some useful info
Datbtrue

Very useful information.
Plenty of reading material.

Anyone heard of a lab called ata technologies.
Got a domestic source that supply's this at a decent price.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Anyone heard of a lab called ata technologies.
Got a domestic source that supply's this at a decent price.

No I havent, Is it a peptide supplier?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

No I havent, Is it a peptide supplier?

Think so.
Not 100%

Not going to risk it thow.