Thread: 1st Cycle

Bro. i think most will say all you need is test for a first cycle.. and i agree with this.. First of all you can get awsome gains from a first test only cycle, also if you run more than one compound you wont know which is giving you side effects "if any". This is important to know for future cycles and for cycle adjustment. Ren test only for your first cycle.... You will be just as happy imo
500mg test cyp a week is a good starting place for dose

Originally Posted by ambiti

Hi everyone,

I will be running my first cycle, let me first give you some information about me, I would really appreciate your feedback.

Been working out for 5 years - I would say I know how to train very well. (always room to learn more though)

My trainer wants me to go on a cycle, and I also want do as well to move to the next level because I kinda got stuck where I am for a while now.

I am 184cm tall (6 foot) and weight 90 kgs (about 180lbs), 12-15% Body Fat,

I want to get a little bigger but very ripped (i am not so ripped)

The cycle my trainer recommended me is as below;

--Every 4 days 1 Deca (250mg) and 1 Enanthate(250mg) for 6 weeks

--Then Winstrol(50mg) every other day for 4 weeks

--Total of 10 weeks of cycle,

I am not 100% sure about the dosage but consider the dosage i had written is correct.

Would you recommend me this cycle as a begging considering my goal is to get bigger and very ripped!

Thank you!

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

Just noticed the winsrol is eod... wtf

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

Agree 100%




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I am 25,
So you reckon I start of with just Enanthate

To be honest just want to test out what it is like, (I dont think I will be a frequent user, just once every 2-3 years - that the idea I have in my mind)

In terms of side effects, would there be loss of libido? my trainer keeps on telling me I should be fine but then I sometimes feel like he just wants me to take it... (lets not talk about the trainer, lets focus on the cycle plz!)

No one really wants to talk about side effects openly, I would appropriate if you could share your opinion with me, also for the Winstrol, how often should I be injecting if eod is too much?

Originally Posted by ambiti

how often should I be injecting if eod is too much?

You have it backwards, winny is taken ED. EOD is NOT enough.



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Libido while on cycle if using a good amount of test (500 weekly) is very strong. While in Post Cycle Therapy, your libido may or may not decrease depending on your hcg protocol and how you respond to clomid/aromasin.

I'm approaching week 2 of my first test cycle and my libido is pretty good, if not better than usual if that puts you at ease. If you were to run deca, there's a chance of compromised libido if you don't dose your test high enough.

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

Thanks for your feedbak and help.

Originally Posted by pieguy

Libido while on cycle if using a good amount of test (500 weekly) is very strong. While in Post Cycle Therapy, your libido may or may not decrease depending on your hcg protocol and how you respond to clomid/aromasin.

I'm approaching week 2 of my first test cycle and my libido is pretty good, if not better than usual if that puts you at ease. If you were to run deca, there's a chance of compromised libido if you don't dose your test high enough.

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

May sound stupid but what kind of side effects should i expect?

Thanks for your feedbak and help

Originally Posted by ambiti

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

Thanks for your feedbak and help.

Read this:

First Cycle and PCT

First cycle should be test only, as mentioned above.

Something like this:

Wk1-10 Test E 500mg/wk (divided into 250mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod or ed
Wk1-10 hcg 250iu x2/wk

PCT: 2 weeks after last test inject
Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Jeesus christ GMO, you beat me to it every damn time -_-.

First Cycle and PCT

You dose it bi-weekly. For example, Tuesday/Friday.

Read that link and read ALL of it.

Getting more mass and ripped is rather diet dependent. Some people can eat slightly below or above maintenance and gain some mass while dropping body fat. The scale won't deviate too much but the appearance of your body will.

Some test cyp or enth @ 500mg/week will give you increased strength, increase ability to put on mass provided you eat ample protein, increase libido and will leave you feeling pretty good like you just scored a date with a supermodel after finding $1000 bucks between the pillows of your couch.

The possible side effects are hair loss (if you're predisposed to hereditary hair loss), increase in estrogen (you combat this with an AI), oily skin/acne, testicular atrophy (combat this with HCG), growing boobs (you combat this with an AI) and injection pain/soreness (goes away/you get used to it/depends on brand or what you're injecting)

How do people come up with these cycles?

Originally Posted by njc

How do people come up with these cycles?

Brosciene bro

I read the link, now I am even more confused...

I will disscuss this with my trainer and see what I come up with and post it here to get your feedback,

I am not planning to start any cycle until I am sure.

I highly appreciate your inputs everyone!

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

He knows LESS Than me so that should scare you! GMO like others are very knowlegable.

If you are in your mid 20's or older I would recomend straight Test to see how you react to it. READ, READ and READ MORE!!!

The thing is I bought some of the stuff and also due to the country i live in, it is not easy to get everything as written in that thread.

I believe you people are more reliable from what I see, I will go with straight Test I believe, let me see if I can get rid of what I have,

Thanks for the input again!

Originally Posted by GMO

Read this:

First Cycle and PCT

First cycle should be test only, as mentioned above.

Something like this:

Wk1-10 Test E 500mg/wk (divided into 250mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod or ed
Wk1-10 hcg 250iu x2/wk

PCT: 2 weeks after last test inject
Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This^^^^

In my honest opinion, I would find a new trainer. It's obvious that your trainer doesn't know anything about anabolics. It makes wonder that if he even knows how to properly train, when he gives such bad advice.

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?



Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Originally Posted by GMO

How old are you?

Your trainer knows nothing about the proper cycling of anabolics.

^ +1 - I think your trainer is quitting on you my friend.

Originally Posted by ambiti

So lets say I take it everyday,
How does the cycle look?
Considering my goal is to gain more mass then getting ripped, would you consider it to be a good one?

May sound stupid but what kind of side effects should i expect?

Thanks for your feedbak and help

Your cycle looks like shit. Please read the Sticky's that are in the forum and learn. The rule of thumb is whatever your taking per week of Deca you should double it for your test. 500mg of Cyp to 250mg of Deca per week.

Has your "TRAINER" told you anything about Adex or Aromasin? How about HCG or PCT?

Originally Posted by ambiti

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?



Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Definitely no need to go up to 1 gram on your first run. Id start at 500 and probably stay there the entire time.

Originally Posted by ambiti

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?



Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Those are way too big dosages for a first cycle. I'm not even doing that much for my second cycle.

You should do about 500mg a week of test for ten or twelve weeks for a first cycle.
save the winstrol for another cycle. You will not get bulky or ripped from test alone, it all depends on your training and diet. Post up your training routine and sample diet, because I'm not even sure you're ready for a first cycle.

Originally Posted by ambiti

Ok, I will do the following because I can these steroids a available where I live,

My question is, for my first cycle, dont you think these dosage is high?
I have a good genetics, I gain and lose very easiliy, my goal is not to get crazy big and buff, I only want to get bigger but alot more ripped, (Mainly ripped)

To get more ripped, would you reckon I add Winstrol into this cycle? if yes, how would you recommend (dosage and frequency)?



Is the following good enough?

Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone E. weekly
Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone E. weekly

Bro, have you bothered to go back and read the Sticky's? How about the cycle listed by GMO which is EXACTLY what you should buy and do.

500MG per week for 10 weeks!!!!!

I think that at 6' and 180lbs and claiming you have no issues gaining and loosing weight your either full of shit or have a warped perception of your genetics. JMO though..

Hi NJC,

Thank you for your reply,

I will stick with 500mg for 10 weeks and 600 the last week,
For PCT, I am still doing a research about what is available here in this country.

I will use Testostrone Enanthate for the entire cycle of 10 weeks

What kind of muscle should I be expecting? (I want more definition - I keep on asking because I actually want to get just a little bigger and be ripped)

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your expertise!

Ok, I am actually about to go to sleep, tomorrow I will write everything with details (diet, training, etc...)

I am just asking for your advice since you all seem very experienced, so no need to be rude guys...

The reason I posted here was that I actually did not trust my trainer...

Thank you anyway, I will update you tomorrow. Happy to know that there are people who are willing to give useful feedback.

One question. Does your trainer want you to buy the gear from him? That might be why he's encouraging you stacking. Horrible stack btw.

sounds to me that your trainer doesnt know what he is doing and wants you to use steroids to make up for the fact that he dosnt know how to train or diet.
not to mention how to cycle.
get a new trainer, eat like a mad man and train hard, put on another 20 lbs...then step out into the world of aas