Thread: GH for only 10 weeks?

I think it isn't really long enough to see some result in my opinion. You should be ready to run it at least 6 to 12 months

Originally Posted by ItsAParadox

I think it isn't really long enough to see some result in my opinion. You should be ready to run it at least 6 to 12 months

Ouch not what I wanted to hear, that'd be a bigger hole in my pocket than I'm ready for at the moment....

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Ouch not what I wanted to hear, that'd be a bigger hole in my pocket than I'm ready for at the moment....

You don't have to stock up all at once. You can stagger your buys by month-to-month, or many other ways.
You could hop on cycle and 4-5 weeks in be ready to purchase again, then repeat every 4-5 weeks or so. I have seen people yeild great recovery results after only a few weeks. They got maybe 3-5 hours of sleep a night and then worked a physically intensive job from 0500 to 16-1900 and claimed to notice a HUGE difference. So it varies person to person and from gear to gear.

Just use ghrp and a ghrh. MUCH cheaper and healthier way to elevate GH levels.

Originally Posted by anxious1

You don't have to stock up all at once. You can stagger your buys by month-to-month, or many other ways.
You could hop on cycle and 4-5 weeks in be ready to purchase again, then repeat every 4-5 weeks or so. I have seen people yeild great recovery results after only a few weeks. They got maybe 3-5 hours of sleep a night and then worked a physically intensive job from 0500 to 16-1900 and claimed to notice a HUGE difference. So it varies person to person and from gear to gear.

True min order is 300ius anway so I would have enough for a pretty decent run no? I've considered peptides but honestly not sure if it's worth the hassle when I can get legit gh pretty affordably. What would be a good starter dose though, I've heard 2-3ius will yield good results with minimal side effects

Originally Posted by Digitalash

True min order is 300ius anway so I would have enough for a pretty decent run no? I've considered peptides but honestly not sure if it's worth the hassle when I can get legit gh pretty affordably. What would be a good starter dose though, I've heard 2-3ius will yield good results with minimal side effects

Starter dose depends on you brother.
What is your goal in the end? Do you want it for recovery, BF reduction, mass gain?
You'd have enough for 100 days at 3iu/day, which would be good for minor BF reduction and recovery. I know guys who ran an 8iu vial for three days and reported some good results in their training.

3-4iu looks pretty good for a first timer. No need for big dosage at first (insulin resistance anyone?) and I don't think you wanna run a pro contest in the near future so you should def. be ok with 3-4ui daily

mostly looking for bf reduction and recovery, a bit more mass would always be a plus though lol

I may just grab 300iu now and start at 3iu/day, if I like the way it's working in 100 days I'll pick up some more. Is there a certain dosage where growth of internal organs becomes a problem or is it entirely due to long usage?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

mostly looking for bf reduction and recovery, a bit more mass would always be a plus though lol

I may just grab 300iu now and start at 3iu/day, if I like the way it's working in 100 days I'll pick up some more. Is there a certain dosage where growth of internal organs becomes a problem or is it entirely due to long usage?

Due to Higher amounts in the 10-15iu+ range for long periods for the organ growth, and bloat.

3iu per day for 100 days will yield great results, You will gains SOME muscle, but will enjoy the recovery and fat reduction.

But I would Grab Some Mod and GHRP-2 and run it along side it, you will benefit even more from it, and its pretty damn inexpensive.

I thought the organ growth was from the addition of insulin use with GH users, No? I have read that in a few different articles... But I have no personal experience with GH. Plan on changing that very soon during my PCT to try and keep my gains as much as possible and hopefully keep adding. I also read that for muscle gains you should run 4-6 ius ed.

Also remember that with exogenous GH use..you are risking shutting down your own production...with ghrp..not really an issue and there are a fraction of the cost...with great results..

No "pct" is required with hgh use correct? I was under the impression that gh shutdown wasn't a big issue?

The peptides are looking more and more appealing now that I'm comparing prices though...

Originally Posted by tampajay70

Also remember that with exogenous GH use..you are risking shutting down your own production...with ghrp..not really an issue and there are a fraction of the cost...with great results..

True, but it isnt as bad as most think, and can be Restarted with GHRP's and GNRH's

Originally Posted by Digitalash

No "pct" is required with hgh use correct? I was under the impression that gh shutdown wasn't a big issue?

The peptides are looking more and more appealing now that I'm comparing prices though...

Let me know if you need anymore info, I will have a wirte up done for Z blog in the next few days regarding their use and potential ways to use them.

Originally Posted by ItsAParadox

I think it isn't really long enough to see some result in my opinion. You should be ready to run it at least 6 to 12 months

^^^This

It usually takes 6 months to start reaping all of the benefits of HGH.

I would go with Ghrp-6 or IGF-1. This seems to be where the results are and they are much faster acting and cheaper. GH can be a great addition but is pricey.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

I would go with Ghrp-6 or IGF-1. This seems to be where the results are and they are much faster acting and cheaper. GH can be a great addition but is pricey.

^^^Good advice

I'm running CJC and GHRP now, and the effects are very similar to synthetic HGH.

Originally Posted by GMO

^^^Good advice

I'm running CJC and GHRP now, and the effects are very similar to synthetic HGH.

Ran this twice as per Dat's protocol. Worked quicker than GH, but I didn't shed as much fat as I do with GH....less mass to. NOTHING beats a real GH/slin combo, IMHO. I absolutely love the GHRP hunger pains though.....great tool to bulk with.


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I wouldn't use it for less than 6 months...for any purpose but thats just me. The amount you are talking about is fine for some fat loss but I don't think you will notice much in the area of muscle gain at that level especially considering the short amount of time your talking about using it

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Ran this twice as per Dat's protocol. Worked quicker than GH, but I didn't shed as much fat as I do with GH....less mass to. NOTHING beats a real GH/slin combo, IMHO. I absolutely love the GHRP hunger pains though.....great tool to bulk with.


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Well, when you throw slin into the mix, things change quite a bit.

ha thanks guys, no slin for me though thx

Soo I will definitely be trying out that peptide combo in upcoming cycle, I'll have to reread the protocol but it is 100mcg each 2-3x a day right? No more than 100mcg can be used at once IIRC. If cash allows I may be forced to grab some GH as well, maybe it would even help my shoulders...

I suppose I shouldn't even be thinking of direct mass gain at those dosages/time but if It allows me to bulk as hard as possible and keep most of the fat off that'd be worth it. I feel like a fat slob over like 13-14% which can kinda make things difficult when I'm really trying to gain weight. I'm thinking test/tren + peptides should make that alot easier?

My boys run GH at between 2-4iu's per day. They report improved skin, sleep and recovery. Along with substancial fat loss!

One of my mates didn't rotate his injection sites properly and he actually has a little dimple in his stomach from the localised fat reduction.

Originally Posted by GMO

Well, when you throw slin into the mix, things change quite a bit.

They sure as hell do!


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Unless you're going to run 10ius+ ED for the ten weeks forget it, you don't have enough to yield the results you really need.

Originally Posted by njc

Just use ghrp and a ghrh. MUCH cheaper and healthier way to elevate GH levels.

Any links you can PM me or info you can give on these?

Originally Posted by squigader

Any links you can PM me or info you can give on these?

Here's some good info from Dat's site:

Here are some peptide basics:

Complete step-by-step guide for a peptide beginner

This is my first post and hope that it can benefit others that are in the exact same situation as me. This forum is brilliant and has a diverse range of very smart people who contribute to help one another. Thank you Dat for starting up, what I believe, to be the best, most informative, and scientifically backed researched forum on the topic of peptides and other substances.

After countless days and endless hours of reading through the threads, I have decided to create a thorough thread that will incorporate all the information required in basic form to get a peptide virgin user up and going from the start. This should alleviate the pain of searching the thousands of threads and posts for information. This is primarily for people wanting to add a bit of lean mass, reduce fat mass, and improve quality of life.

Please correct me if I am wrong anywhere along the lines of my following methods as I too, am still a very new user and still in the beginner's learning phase. I want to outline the basics without getting involved in CPWO methods, insulin, L-carnitine, MTII, synthetic growth hormones, anabolic steroids, and all the other supplemental substances to aid in one's achievements. I want to keep this non scientific and basic without it becoming too daunting for new people to understand.

From the start:
1 - You are on this site because you have heard of and want to become more familiar with Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide (GHRP) and/or Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH). These 2 materials administered can give you an increased quality of life in ways of anti-aging, muscular hypertrophy, fat loss, injury repair, higher bone density, and better sleep.
2 - GHRP can be used on its own to increase our natural Growth Hormone (GH) pulse release from the Pituitary Gland in the brain. GHRP dosed in conjunction with GHRH will amplify our growth hormone release significantly to gain maximal benefit.
3 - There are various types of GHRH's. The only GHRH to consider is tetra-substituted CJC-1295 / CJC-1295(without DAC) / modGRF(1-29). They are all the same thing but with a different name. They come in vials ranging in material weights measured in milligrams (mg) consisting of a solid freeze-dried (lyophilized) substance.
4 - There are various types of GHRP's. GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Hexarelin, and Imaporelin. The differences between them are potency and side effects. GHRP-6 is very potent and makes you quite hungry. GHRP-2 is potent and can slightly affect your sleep somewhat. Hexarelin is very potent but you can desensitize from higher dosages. Imaporelin is potent with the minimalist side effects of all 4 GHRP's.
5 - Peptides are dosed via a regular 1mL needle syringe typical to what a diabetic would use. It is administered Subcutaneously (SubQ) (just under the skin into the fat tissue), most usually around the abdomen region.
6 - The required amount (saturation dose) is 1mcg (microgram) per Kg (Kilogram) of bodyweight. The typical usage and for ease of measuring is 100mcg of modGRF(1-29) and/or 100mcg of your choice of GHRP. Lower dosages will simply result in less GH release due to a slightly weaker GH pulse and reduce any side effects you may have. A higher dose will have minimal benefit and is more a waste of money than anything else. But, in saying that, the more frequently dosed in any given day would result in more frequent pulses.
7 - Mixing (reconstitution) the lyophilized product in their vials with Bacteriostatic Water (BW) can take some getting used to. The idea is not to add too much dilution. Typical rule of thumb is to add 0.5mL of BW to 1mg of Peptide. So a 2mg vial should reconstitute with 1mL BW. 5mg with 2.5mL, 10mg with 5mL, etc. Squirt the BW along the inside wall of the vial in a smooth controlled manner being cautious not to agitate the mixture too much. It will dissolve itself and become clear. You can roll the vial gently between your fingers or hands but don't shake it to dissolve. The reconstitute is ok to be drawn once fully dissolved.
8 - On a 1mL needle, there are either 50 tick marks from 0-100, skipping every odd number OR 100 international units (IU). A 100mcg dose is half way between the 2nd and 3rd tick mark, OR 5 IU's (if you followed the above reconstitution). There are no half tick marks. It is OK to draw modGRF and GHRP into the one needle for a single shot. It is NOT OK to mix peptides in the same vial or syringe for storage.
9 - Reconstituted peptide should be stored in the refrigerator to prevent degradation. Left at room temperature, peptide will degrade within days but kept in the fridge will last months. You can pre-load syringes and store in freezer if you want but it is more of a hassle than being worth the effort.
10 - Doses can be taken throughout the day but at no less than 3 hour intervals between doses. 1 dose a day is typical for light injury repair, anti-aging effects, deeper sleep, and better quality of life. The most beneficial would be to dose immediately prior to going to bed for your daily sleep period. Sleep is the time when our pituitary is most active. 2 or 3 doses per day will give the added benefit of lean tissue build, and fat loss, considering your diet consists of good quality foods.
11 - Doses should be taken on empty stomach to benefit the most. This is usually 3 hours or more.
12 - Do not consume food for between 15-30 minutes after your dosage. Best time is around 20-25 minute mark. GH pulses should peak within about 10 minutes after dosage. Fats and Carbohydrates affect the pulse dramatically. Protein has no effect on pulse and you can have a pure protein source in your stomach at anytime if you so choose to.
13 - Dosage timing can be beneficial to your goals. For muscle growth, the 2nd most beneficial time to dose is post workout (PWO). Best time is pre-bed because sleep is when we recover and our cells repair and grow. Within 30 minutes should be fine but sooner the better. Remember to have your meal 20-25 minutes after dose.
14 - For fat loss, your supplemental dose is 1 hour pre-cardio exercise after a long fasting without food. Best time is after waking up and before breakfast. During cardio exercise, maintain a moderate intensity for between 30-60 minutes. 45 minutes is a good session. You do not want to go too hard or too long. A moderate pace will utilize Free Fatty Acids (FFA) at the highest rate for energy. Refrain from eating for approximately 2 hours after your exercise because this is the time the body is still burning fat as fuel. You must eat throughout the day to reduce the chance of muscle catabolism (breakdown).
15 - These Peptides can be used on a daily basis for the rest of your life without any harm. Enjoy!!!

True.. that is a very mild dose combined with a very short time period (for gh). I think you would be better off waiting till you have some more on hand.

so 10ius per day would actually have an effect in 10 weeks? Would it be better to space that amount out at a lower dosage?

I could possibly spring for nine hundred ius, would that be worth running?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

so 10ius per day would actually have an effect in 10 weeks? Would it be better to space that amount out at a lower dosage?

I could possibly spring for nine hundred ius, would that be worth running?

If you can get 900iu run 5iu daily for 180 days straight, no 5 on 2 off crap.

I agree as far as muslce gain is concerned 10 weeks is a short time to actually gain anything, but you will experience better sleep, better recovery, and fat loss.

And site specific fat loss by GH is a myth