Test Prop/NPP taper to Test Cyp

**Prize** · 08-17-2011, 08:24 PM

I'm planning my 2nd cycle and don't want to do orals this time. My first cycle was 500mg/wk test cyp 1-5 with tbol kicker weeks 1-4 then test prop 200mg/eod for weeks 6-10. My diet is super clean, protein/carbs/fat at 40/40/20 I'm over 45 and my workouts are spot on. I'm currently 5' 10" 198 at 11% BF. Hope this answers any questions up front.

I want to start my next 10 week cycle with test prop 200mg/eod and NPP 150mg/eod. I'd like to switch to test cyp only for weeks 4-8 then back to prop for weeks 9 & 10. I'm looking to reduce the dead time at the start and the dead time prior to PCT at the end. The prop has been causing more PIP than the cyp as another reason to switch back and forth. The first batch of prop I got was over dosed and brutal. The second batch from another lab was much better but still a little painful. I don't mind pinning EOD but the PIP interferes with my ability to workout. I pin glutes, delts and quads 2ml per site max.

So can someone please help me out figuring the doses of test prop tapering to cyp then taper back to prop and keep my test levels at 750mg/wk? I've tried using the online calculaters but haven't had any luck getting answers. I do understand the difference in true test mg in prop vs. cyp so 750mg/wk prop is almost 625mg test and it would take nearly 875mg/wk of cyp to equal the same dose of prop. Has anyone else gone through the trouble of switching esters during cycle? The dosing for the NPP is the easy part. Thanks in advance for taking the time to help me with this.

**njc** · 08-18-2011, 02:18 PM

youre not gonna have much test in your system during weeks 5 and 6 and probably part of 7

why complicate things so much? Just run the prop

**pieguy** · 08-18-2011, 03:03 PM

Why are you switching to cyp for a few weeks when test prop is already being placed in the same syringe dosage as your NPP? Seems like a big complication. Are you trying to use up an old bottle of long esther test or something?

**SloppyJ** · 08-18-2011, 03:14 PM

Why not just take cyp all the way through. Kickstart for like 3 weeks with prop and take some prop while you wait for the ester to clear?

The "dead time" is something you have to deal with when you take long esters.

Why no orals? The last 4 weeks of the cycle would be a decent time to take an oral so you don't feel like you have a 'Dead time'.

**Prize** · 08-18-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by njc

youre not gonna have much test in your system during weeks 5 and 6 and probably part of 7

why complicate things so much? Just run the prop

Why would my test be low during the weeks 5-7 if I taper down the prop while full dosing the cyp for the first 4 weeks? The prop I've been using has been kicking my ass about 24 hours after injection. The first batch was horrible so I had to switch to another brand. I think I had muscle damage from the first batch that contributed to the pain I felt with the 2nd batch although it was much better. You're probably right that I'm over complicating things!

**Prize** · 08-18-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

Why are you switching to cyp for a few weeks when test prop is already being placed in the same syringe dosage as your NPP? Seems like a big complication. Are you trying to use up an old bottle of long esther test or something?

I was thinking that it would be nice to use 250mg/ml cyp for a while rather than the 100mg/ml prop. At 2ml's prop with 1.5ml's NPP I have to pin each dose separately because I only have 3ml syringes. I'll be pinning 2 sites each time so 2 syringes make sense anyways. It sounds like I'm over thinking this but it seemed logical in my mind to try it. The orals gave me back pumps and my side where my liver is located ached. I've had high liver enzymes on some blood tests long ago. It turned out that it was caused by high iron levels and has been fine for quite a while. I didn't want to stress my liver if I didn't have to.

**Prize** · 08-18-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Why not just take cyp all the way through. Kickstart for like 3 weeks with prop and take some prop while you wait for the ester to clear?

The "dead time" is something you have to deal with when you take long esters.

Why no orals? The last 4 weeks of the cycle would be a decent time to take an oral so you don't feel like you have a 'Dead time'.

That's pretty much my plan as you describe it. I am wondering how much prop to use while I wait for the cyp to kick in. The overlap of the dosing could be higher than I want if I don't taper down the prop as the level of cyp starts to stabilize. Any suggestions on dose? Or should I just pin prop 200mg/eod for the first 4 weeks with 850mg/wk test cyp too? Seems like I'd be getting more test than I want by doing it that way...

Trying to go easy on my liver is why I'm trying to stay away from orals on this cycle. I've considered masteron or injectable winny as another option rather than orals.

**Hell** · 08-18-2011, 05:03 PM

1-4 Test Prop 100mg eod
1-10/12 Test C 500-750mg week
1-10/12 NPP 100-150mg eod

Try not to over complicate it....

**Prize** · 08-18-2011, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Hell

1-4 Test Prop 100mg eod
1-10/12 Test C 500-750mg week
1-10/12 NPP 100-150mg eod

Try not to over complicate it....

Thanks Hell!!!! What are your thoughts on running prop 1-4 with cyp for weeks 1-10 as you suggest, and then prop for 11-12. Start PCT on day 4 after last injection??

**BigBill** · 08-18-2011, 07:29 PM

Honestly, Bro you might be over thinking it, maybe over doing it! Keep it simple, the gains will come but it takes time and dedication, DO NOT RUSH IT, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE BUT FOLLOW THE BASIC RULES FOR THE NEW GUY!! Even if you think you know, you DON'T!
NTIL YOU'VE BEEN THERE........

**Prize** · 08-18-2011, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by BigBill

Honestly, Bro you might be over thinking it, maybe over doing it! Keep it simple, the gains will come but it takes time and dedication, DO NOT RUSH IT, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE BUT FOLLOW THE BASIC RULES FOR THE NEW GUY!! Even if you think you know, you DON'T!
NTIL YOU'VE BEEN THERE........

Thanks BigBill...I have no intention of trying to rush anything. The one thing I'm sure of is that I know very little about AAS and love the learning process!!

I'll know as soon as I start again how well I'll tolerate the prop. I think I had a lot of crystalization in my muscles from the over dosed prop that caused damage and continued pain. If all goes well there won't be any need to transfer to cyp. The other thing I realized early on is that there is no magic drug to build muscle. I appreciate someone's size now more than ever regardless of whether they are natural or not!!

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