Thread: Advice needed...

Originally Posted by jobloggs

Hi Guys,

I just started a course a week ago with MASTERON 100mg EOD with Parabolan 76mg EOD both by alpha pharma.

From my research, i thought it would be a good course for hardening up. But I am getting very itchy nipples. I had clomid at hand (Serpafar) @ 50mg, took 100mg when i noticed it, and one a day since, but it doesnt seem like its working..

I was led to beleive these wont aromiatize, what shall i do?

Your gyno is probably progestin related thanks to your parabolan. Are you running any ancilliaries? Cabergoline? Aromasin? You do not use Clomid on-cycle, it is for PCT. And if your itchy nips are progestin related, Clomid is not going to do shit anyway.

Also, you should not be running those two compounds without a test base of some kind. What you are doing is a disaster waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by jobloggs

Hi Guys,

I just started a course a week ago with MASTERON 100mg EOD with Parabolan 76mg EOD both by alpha pharma.

From my research, i thought it would be a good course for hardening up. But I am getting very itchy nipples. I had clomid at hand (Serpafar) @ 50mg, took 100mg when i noticed it, and one a day since, but it doesnt seem like its working..

I was led to beleive these wont aromiatize, what shall i do?

You need to take another shot at that research. Jeezus, what a train wreck.

Hi GMO.

Thanks for the quick reply. I am not running any ancilliaries, infact I have never heard of them! so what do I need to take? I thought clomid was the same as nolvadex and I could use it on the onset of gyno symptoms during the cycle.

Im only on the second week now, itchiness seems to have gotten better today. I will stop using clomid from today and maybe jump onto something you recommend.

Also, a lot of people have been recommending whacking in some form of test with this course, is it necessary ? Do you recommend it? its my first time masteron & parabolan.

I have also been told not to mix the 2 into 1 shot, so i am whacking them in 2 diff sites each time... Maybe if test would benefit me, to take test cyp as I will only need to use it once a week ..? cant stand the thought of whacking 3 sites at once

Your help and advice is most appreciated.

You can combine test propionate with your masteron injections no problem. Go 150mg eod and add it to the syringe you inject masteron with. I'm not too well versed on parabolan so maybe GMO can comment. Unless it's water based, I don't understand why it'd be a bad idea to inject with your masteron and test p.

For your ancilleries, go get cabergoline or prami from one of our sponsors and also begin using arimidex at .5 mg EOD or aromasin at 12.5mg EOD. The prolactin from your parabolan as GMO said is causing estrogen like side effects which can include itchy nips and lactation (har har har). Caber and prami stop this.

Clomid is terrible on cycle and the only acceptable on cycle gyno prevention is adex, aromasin and letro for estrogen related sides, and prami or caber for prolactin related sides.

Masteron/parabolan seems like one of the most creative screw ups i've read since i joined IM.

Hi pieguy,

Thanks for your input. I will call my dealer tomorrow to see if he has any of the things you mention.

Do I continue taking them for the rest of the cycle? or do I stop when symptoms get better? does the armidex/aromasin dampen the effects of the other compounds?

Also I found your latest sentence interesting about mast/parbolan, Ive heard wonderful things about these drugs, why do you say they are not good?

Continue on them and only slightly hinders gains. Mast and para are very good compounds. However your execution of their use was bad.

Parabolan is basically tren ace with a longer esther for extended release. Sides are slightly different but here's the general idea.

Side Effects (Estrogenic):
Trenbolone is not aromatized by the body, and is not measurably estrogenic. It is of note, however, that this steroid displays significant binding affinity for the progesterone receptor (slightly stronger than progesterone itself). The side effects associated with progesterone are similar to those of estrogen, including negative feedback inhibition of testosterone production and enhanced rate of fat storage. Progestins also augment the stimulatory effect of estrogens on mammary tissue growth. There appears to be a strong synergy between these two hormones here, such that gynecomastia might even occur with the help of progestins, without excessive estrogen levels. The use of an anti-estrogen, which inhibits the estrogenic component of this disorder, is often sufficient to mitigate gynecomastia caused by progestational anabolic/androgenic steroids. Note that progestational side effects are more common when trenbolone is being taken with other aromatizable steroids.

Side Effects (Androgenic):
Although classified as an anabolic steroid, trenbolone is sufficiently androgenic. Androgenic side effects are still common with this substance, and may include bouts of oily skin, acne, and body/facial hair growth. Anabolic/androgenic steroids may also aggravate male I pattern hair loss. Women are also warned of the potential I virilizing effects of anabolic/androgenic steroids. These may include a deepening of the voice, menstrual: irregularities, changes in skin texture, facial hair growth) and clitoral enlargement. Additionally, the 5-alpha: reductase enzyme does not metabolize trenbolone, so I its relative androgenicity is not affected by finasteride or: dutasteride.

Thanks again pieguy for your quick response.

When you say my execution of them was bad, are you sayign I shouldnt have used them together? or the dosage? Im sorry if I sound a bit lost.

I can still change and cut the para off.. From

I based it on the Intermediate cycle II on Anabolic steroids cycles for intermediate bodybuilders - Steroid.com

Couldnt get hold of decent anavar so i thought id leave that, changed the test prop for Masteron which I heard great things about.

Ran it past a few "experts" and they said its ok, no mention of armidex.. They also mentioned to add Test Prop @ 250mg EOD, but i thought id leave it out, didnt wanna overdo it. Reason why I was asking was to see if it would make a MASSIVE difference if i left it out or not.

Thanks in advance

^^that link shows the outline for a test/tren/winny cycle with an ancillary which is arimidex at .5mg ed thru out the whole cycle...why didn't you follow that chart or outline?

You should do more research before doin anymore harm to yourself

Anyway...get with Extreme Peptides to get hooked up...good luck brotha..!!

Originally Posted by jobloggs

Thanks again pieguy for your quick response.

When you say my execution of them was bad, are you sayign I shouldnt have used them together? or the dosage? Im sorry if I sound a bit lost.

I can still change and cut the para off.. From

I based it on the Intermediate cycle II on Anabolic steroids cycles for intermediate bodybuilders - Steroid.com

Couldnt get hold of decent anavar so i thought id leave that, changed the test prop for Masteron which I heard great things about.

Ran it past a few "experts" and they said its ok, no mention of armidex.. They also mentioned to add Test Prop @ 250mg EOD, but i thought id leave it out, didnt wanna overdo it. Reason why I was asking was to see if it would make a MASSIVE difference if i left it out or not.

Thanks in advance

You're very lost yeah... Your execution was poor because

1) you didn't use test
2) you used masteron without understanding why mast is good or what it's used for
3) you used long esther tren when short tren would probably better suit you
4) you didn't use an AI like adex or aromasin
5) you didn't run anti prolactin drugs like cabergolin or prami
6) your first cycle had multiple compounds which makes it difficult to pinpoint what is fucking you up and causing this --->

I could probably pull out a few more problems, but like I said, bad execution. Those experts you consulted probably assumed you would use test p and adex or they're not really experts. Hell, I just started learning about AAS about 3-4 months ago and I already know you always have to use AI's and Test as a base or you face bad consequences

Get an ai pronto. Also get test as quick as you can if you want to continue your cycle, if not then jump on pct right away before you do any more harm to yourself.

One thing I will say that I find very weird tho is Lee Priest claims he bulks on Deca/Primo which I find very hard to believe. He's a fucking refrigerator with legs, or was at least. I don't know how functional his penis is, but you're not Lee Priest so this discussion is moot. Use test and enjoy a working libido.

thanks vibrant and bulldogz for your advice.

After all the valuable advice, im thinking of using sus 250 @ 125mg EOD. I see pieguy mentions that using a shorter ester would better suit me..? any reason why?

I will add 0.5mg of arimidex to the cycle from tomorrow and depending on what you guys thing of the test to use, I will also add the test aswell
My goal is to rip up, minimise water from the compounds. The reason why i want to try sus is because ive tried prop and cyp before, wanted to try something different...

also a bit of confusion - do i need cabergolin / prami aswell as the arimidex for this cycle?

Again thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread. I really apprecaite all your advice.

Originally Posted by jobloggs

thanks vibrant and bulldogz for your advice.

After all the valuable advice, im thinking of using sus 250 @ 125mg EOD. I see pieguy mentions that using a shorter ester would better suit me..? any reason why?

I will add 0.5mg of arimidex to the cycle from tomorrow and depending on what you guys thing of the test to use, I will also add the test aswell
My goal is to rip up, minimise water from the compounds. The reason why i want to try sus is because ive tried prop and cyp before, wanted to try something different...

also a bit of confusion - do i need cabergolin / prami aswell as the arimidex for this cycle?

Again thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread. I really apprecaite all your advice.

If you are going to continue running the parabolan, you definitely need cabergoline. Run it 0.5mg 2x/wk.

Sus is ok but honestly, I would just run some prop.

Hi guys,

just spoke to my supplier, asked him for armidex, he said yeh hes got it. Asked about cabergoline and he dont have a clue, mentioned aromasim and he said yeh its the same as armidex.

Apparantly the original aromasim costs a bomb (£90 for a 30 day supply), he has the some aromasim that is for £30 a months supply.

Decided to stick to prop as so many people r recommending it instead of the others.
I will post the brand when i get the tablets this evening...

Im really anxious to get this cabergoline now, but every time i mention it, the supplier thinks im confusing primobolan lmfao. is there any other names he might be familiar with? I did mention that someone on the forum has recommended that i must take cabergoline if im taking parabolan.. seemed he still doesnt have a clue..

Dude, just look at some of the sponsors. They have this stuff. And your source is an idiot. Just google the caber, there may be different names he is familiar with.

Originally Posted by jobloggs

Hi guys,

just spoke to my supplier, asked him for armidex, he said yeh hes got it. Asked about cabergoline and he dont have a clue, mentioned aromasim and he said yeh its the same as armidex.

Apparantly the original aromasim costs a bomb (£90 for a 30 day supply), he has the some aromasim that is for £30 a months supply.

Decided to stick to prop as so many people r recommending it instead of the others.
I will post the brand when i get the tablets this evening...

Im really anxious to get this cabergoline now, but every time i mention it, the supplier thinks im confusing primobolan lmfao. is there any other names he might be familiar with? I did mention that someone on the forum has recommended that i must take cabergoline if im taking parabolan.. seemed he still doesnt have a clue..

First off arimidex and aromasin are NOT the same thing. They are both AI's, but completely different compounds.

Our sponsors carry the cabergoline, which also goes by the name Dostinex.