Too afraid of Gyno and Hairloss and not looking to blow up either. Non-test cycle?

**ducky999** · 08-22-2011, 04:30 PM

Hey guys,
here's my stats
30
5'9
185lb
14%
Been lifting for 10 years.

I've been researching as much as my f**ed up eyes have allowed me to and obviously test + proper pct is the way to go for the first timer. But I'm already loosing hair(although on rogain and it works) and have always had bigger chest. So my main concern is tits and hairloss. That, and the fact that I dont want anyone to notice I'm juicing has got me wondering if I should do a non-testosterone cycle . From what I've read deca seems like a good option as far as gain/side effect ratio. I know most people think its not a good first cycle on its own but I'm only looking to gain/keep 8-10 pounds. What should I expect with a 8-10 week cycle of deca about 400 mg week? is there another "mild" steroid that you would recommend?

**twotuff** · 08-22-2011, 04:32 PM

SHut up

**twotuff** · 08-22-2011, 04:32 PM

spam

**MisterMak** · 08-22-2011, 04:38 PM

Test (in some form) should be the base for every cycle. Start off mild and then see how you react.

If you are not ready to suffer the possible side effects of test (i.e. Huge muscles, raging libido, hair loss, hair gain) then you are not ready for AAS.

**pieguy** · 08-22-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by twotuff

SHut up

By choosing deca, two things will happen.

1) limp dick
2) damage to your DNA (based off 1 study)

You kind of made yourself look like a huge vagina by how you started your post, but if you were going to try something, maybe look into PH's or primobolan. Legit primo costs a fortune and is pretty mild.

**njc** · 08-22-2011, 05:08 PM

If youre not looking to "blow up" then Deca would be the last steroid that you would choose.

**bulldogz** · 08-22-2011, 05:11 PM

Creatine

**sofargone561** · 08-22-2011, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by twotuff

SHut up

i seriously just almost peed

**D-Lats** · 08-22-2011, 05:29 PM

10 lbs? Eat more food. Why bother fucking yourself up for minimal gains?

**ducky999** · 08-22-2011, 07:02 PM

Believe me I've been trying to gain this 10lb for 5 years its just not happening and I cant afford to do this as a full time job.
I'm not saying I'd mind 15 lb, just dont want it to be too obvious i'm juicing so I'd rather get there gradually. And yes I am a huge vagina. I lost my spleen in a car accident when I was a kid and I think that puts more strain on my kidneys or something so I gotta be careful.
Thanks Pieguy, I'll try researching those. Its just that i have bad eye strain and computer screen literally tortures my eyes so thats why I havnt been able to do an extensive research.

**SFW** · 08-22-2011, 07:08 PM

15mgs dbol ed.
nipple combovers.
unjackedness.
Placebo abuse.
DEA compliance.
Light in the loafers.

**sofargone561** · 08-22-2011, 07:09 PM

sounds like you have bad health problems.... i doubt think you should even consider AAS with any serious issue. is it worth putting your life at risk for minmul gains?

**D-Lats** · 08-22-2011, 07:25 PM

You cant gain 10 lbs in 5 years. Have you been tested for aids?

**sofargone561** · 08-22-2011, 07:27 PM

i just busted out laughing becuase of that holy shit bro u jus made the whole past 2 miserable days worth it!!!!! im still cracking up !

**ducky999** · 08-22-2011, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

You cant gain 10 lbs in 5 years. Have you been tested for aids?

lmao. good one... alright maybe I've gained 10lb in the last 5 years but not enough.

**pieguy** · 08-22-2011, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

You cant gain 10 lbs in 5 years. Have you been tested for aids?

LOL D-latsky fuuuk. So bad

Maybe you should consider using 6 months of HGH instead and see where it takes you. HGH might help with your fleeting health and give you that well positive well-being feeling you probably don't have currently.

At this rate, like I said, you're going to be spending a lot of money on primob which by what you say seems useless cause you don't eat enough or don't lift hard.

**Digitalash** · 08-22-2011, 10:57 PM

brb wanna take roids but don't wanna blow up

herp derp

**pieguy** · 08-22-2011, 11:03 PM

Ah this thread has so much win

I think OP that you're kind of overestimating how observative people are. My own mother couldn't spot an extra 10 lbs on me clothed, and I doubt you're going to be running around your office naked so what's the problem? These weight gains will be over weeks, not days so it's not like you'll explode and look like Jay Cutler overnight.

**gamma** · 08-23-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by pieguy

Ah this thread has so much win

I think OP that you're kind of overestimating how observative people are. My own mother couldn't spot an extra 10 lbs on me clothed, and I doubt you're going to be running around your office naked so what's the problem? These weight gains will be over weeks, not days so it's not like you'll explode and look like Jay Cutler overnight.

But if you could blow up like ol jay man this would be the way to go, i wonder what kinda of pct you would need for that and do you think a oral only cycle would work?????????????????? lol

**D-Lats** · 08-23-2011, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by gamma

But if you could blow up like ol jay man this would be the way to go, i wonder what kinda of pct you would need for that and do you think a oral only cycle would work?????????????????? lol

He only uses muscletech and oral only cycles are awesome

**Vibrant** · 08-23-2011, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

He only uses muscletech and oral only cycles are awesome

If I had the money I would use muscletech instead of real gear. Muscletech makes your muscles on the subatomic level. It makes your muscle explode in size. I've calculated that if you buy the full range of products, you can gain 50-60lbs in month. You want to how I came up with my numbers, well it's actually quite easy, all you do is add up the numbers from each muscletech product.

**ducky999** · 08-23-2011, 08:04 AM

I guess I'll take the test route. Gonna order Tect C online. Question about the measurements, does 200mg/ml 10ml/vial EP mean 10 injections of 200mg each? I'm asking because I cant believe the price, its only $45. That's 5 weeks of test at 400mg a week, correct? Thats the price of UGL on the site that has "z" in the name. They also sell human grade, anyone here prefer that over UGL? also looking at a site that the name sounds like "king of Europe".

**D-Lats** · 08-23-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

If I had the money I would use muscletech instead of real gear. Muscletech makes your muscles on the subatomic level. It makes your muscle explode in size. I've calculated that if you buy the full range of products, you can gain 50-60lbs in month. You want to how I came up with my numbers, well it's actually quite easy, all you do is add up the numbers from each muscletech product.

^^this just read the advertisements they wouldnt lie

**squigader** · 08-23-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ducky999

I guess I'll take the test route. Gonna order Tect C online. Question about the measurements, does 200mg/ml 10ml/vial EP mean 10 injections of 200mg each? I'm asking because I cant believe the price, its only $45. That's 5 weeks of test at 400mg a week, correct? Thats the price of UGL on the site that has "z" in the name. They also sell human grade, anyone here prefer that over UGL? also looking at a site that the name sounds like "king of Europe".

Yep, 10 injections of 200mg each. It seems cheap monetarily, but however, there's shipping costs to consider, minimum order costs, the fact that what you're doing is illegal and risking drug charges, physical side effects etc.

If you want to only gain 8-10lbs, I'd actually suggest cutting first until you're about 11-12%. You'll probably like your appearance more, and you'll actually look bigger because of the reduction in body fat. Also, you get less estrogen-related side effects with lower body fat.

Also, gear is kinda a waste if you only want 8-10lbs, you could do that naturally in a few months with hard training and good diet.

**SloppyJ** · 08-23-2011, 10:29 AM

Hey guys, I wanna start taking a pre-workout but I don't want to take anything. Any ideas?

**bigbenj** · 08-23-2011, 10:32 AM

who wants to slowly get big? either you want to swell up, or you want to stay small. Ive never heard of someone wanting to gradually add muscle so people dont notice. Its way better when people are asking you if youre on something.

**bigbenj** · 08-23-2011, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Hey guys, I wanna start taking a pre-workout but I don't want to take anything. Any ideas?

Originally Posted by Vibrant

If I had the money I would use muscletech instead of real gear. Muscletech makes your muscles on the subatomic level. It makes your muscle explode in size. I've calculated that if you buy the full range of products, you can gain 50-60lbs in month. You want to how I came up with my numbers, well it's actually quite easy, all you do is add up the numbers from each muscletech product.

LOL @ these

**twotuff** · 08-23-2011, 10:38 AM

lol at this fucking thread!

**bigbenj** · 08-23-2011, 10:42 AM

I think if youre telling yourself "I want to get big, but not too big, and not too quick" then you are in no way ready for gear. I want to be on gear and people be like "damn, you blew the fuck up!"

**bigbenj** · 08-23-2011, 10:47 AM

guys, Im having problems in my sex life. Is there anything I can take to help me? I want to be harder, but not too hard. I also want to last longer, but not too long. I dont want my wife knowing that Im on anything, so Id like my dick to be about 15% harder, and the sex to last about 30 seconds longer. Just so she doesnt get suspicious. Thanks.

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