Possible second cycle?

**Livebig14** · 08-22-2011, 08:05 PM

Hey guys. Just finishing up my first cycle. I ran test at 600mg per week for 9 weeks with a 4 week dbol kicker at 30mg. Before you ask I stopped the cycle early because I gained 30 pounds and did not want to gain any more. I am currently cruising on 200mg test per week just until my body gets used to the massive weight gain ( probably 2-3 more weeks). Starting to plan my second one now. It is a bulking cycle. Planning on waiting until the end of November to start this one (12 weeks off). I don't want to run Deca due to harsh sides. Let me know what you guys think.

Weeks 1-PCT - Arimidex .5mg ED
Weeks 1-PCT - GHRP-6 - 3 times per day (morning,post workout,pre bedtime)
Weeks 1-4 - Oral (either dbol at 40 mg per day or Anadrol at 50mg per day)
Weeks 1-16 - Test cypionate 750mg per week
Weeks 1-17 - Equipoise 600mg per week
Weeks 12 until PCT - Super DMZ 2 caps per day *this depends on how much I gained throughout the rest of the cycle, if I gained a ton of weight already im not gonna run it.

PCT - Clomid protocol wait 2 weeks for esters to clear
week 1 - 100mg per day
week 2 - 75mg per day
week 3 - 50mg per day
week 4 - 50mg per day

If you guys think something would be better than equipoise for bulking please let me know. The only thing I won't run is Deca. Thanks. Reps to all who are helpful

**Vibrant** · 08-22-2011, 08:30 PM

Your cycle looks good but I want to mention a couple things. I'm running a similar cycle right now (just started) and before I started, I asked for advice on eq and everyone said to run at least 16 weeks some even said 20weeks.

you are running an ai right? If you aren't i would suggest aromasin for on cycle and pct.

The cycle I'm running is:
1-8 test e 500 mg 9-16 test e 750 mg
1-16 eq 600mg
Days 1-25 dbol 25mg
15-18 super dmz (not sure yet if I'll do it)
Aromasin 12.5 eod
Pct clomid and aromasin

I'm starting week 3 right now and I'm loving it.

**DGettin** · 08-22-2011, 08:39 PM

You stopped your first cycle early because you were gaining too much weight, but your next cycle is gonna be a bulk again? Was that just because you were gaining too much too quick so you needed to stop but you still wanna get bigger? Just curious. I've ran eq quite a bit and rather like it, usually at least 14 week cycles though. If you eat the proper amount of calories I'm sure it'll work great for you. I'm sure deca would be better for bulking, but like you said... Good luck.

**Livebig14** · 08-22-2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Your cycle looks good but I want to mention a couple things. I'm running a similar cycle right now (just started) and before I started, I asked for advice on eq and everyone said to run at least 16 weeks some even said 20weeks.

you are running an ai right? If you aren't i would suggest aromasin for on cycle and pct.

The cycle I'm running is:
1-8 test e 500 mg 9-16 test e 750 mg
1-16 eq 600mg
Days 1-25 dbol 25mg
15-18 super dmz (not sure yet if I'll do it)
Aromasin 12.5 eod
Pct clomid and aromasin

I'm starting week 3 right now and I'm loving it.

thanks for the advice man. I didnt realize equipoise had to be run that long to see results. I edited my original post and added the A.I. in there. Is the equipoise causing any increased hunger for you?

**Livebig14** · 08-22-2011, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by DGettin

You stopped your first cycle early because you were gaining too much weight, but your next cycle is gonna be a bulk again? Was that just because you were gaining too much too quick so you needed to stop but you still wanna get bigger? Just curious. I've ran eq quite a bit and rather like it, usually at least 14 week cycles though. If you eat the proper amount of calories I'm sure it'll work great for you. I'm sure deca would be better for bulking, but like you said... Good luck.

Yes I stopped the cycle early because I gained 30 pounds over 7 weeks, then I cut my calories continued the test for another 2 weeks at 600mg, and now I have dropped it down to 200mg per week because I figured I was just wasting test as I was not bulking or cutting just maintaining. I will increase the length that I run the equipoise. How are the strength/size gains with equipoise and what dose do you run it at?

**Vibrant** · 08-22-2011, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

Yes I stopped the cycle early because I gained 30 pounds over 7 weeks, then I cut my calories continued the test for another 2 weeks at 600mg, and now I have dropped it down to 200mg per week because I figured I was just wasting test as I was not bulking or cutting just maintaining. I will increase the length that I run the equipoise. How are the strength/size gains with equipoise and what dose do you run it at?

It's kinda hard to tell. I am eating more and it's easier to eat but I dont know if that's from the eq yet because people usually report hunger pains from eq no earlier than 6weeks. Lol, I'll let you know in about a month if can't stop eating from the eq. May have to start hitting the all you can eat buffets

**Livebig14** · 08-22-2011, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

It's kinda hard to tell. I am eating more and it's easier to eat but I dont know if that's from the eq yet because people usually report hunger pains from eq no earlier than 6weeks. Lol, I'll let you know in about a month if can't stop eating from the eq. May have to start hitting the all you can eat buffets

alright thanks man. Yeah im hoping the hunger effects come in from the equipoise come in for me that would definatley help with getting down 5000+ calories a day. GHRP-6 is great for increased appetite as well. I ran it for about a month and a half its good stuff.

**Mooksman** · 08-22-2011, 10:56 PM

I know its discouraged on the net until ur 28th cycle, but maybe take a look at test/tren instead of test/eq. Or if not maybe npp

**pieguy** · 08-22-2011, 10:59 PM

If he's not interested in Deca cause of harsh sides, he definitely won't like Tren. Iono, the elite section has this article saying deca causes damage to user DNA. It has me scared as shit and made me toss my NPP idea out the door

**DGettin** · 08-22-2011, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

Yes I stopped the cycle early because I gained 30 pounds over 7 weeks, then I cut my calories continued the test for another 2 weeks at 600mg, and now I have dropped it down to 200mg per week because I figured I was just wasting test as I was not bulking or cutting just maintaining. I will increase the length that I run the equipoise. How are the strength/size gains with equipoise and what dose do you run it at?

I ran it several times at about 500mg per week. Appetite was definitely increased and got really good strength gains from it. Not as much size as deca, but eq also doesn't make my nips itch! Someone mentioned tren... good shit, but if you don't want deca sides, you really don't want tren sides. I ran tren e once at a low dose and loved it, did not love the insomnia that came with though.

**World-Pharma.org** · 08-22-2011, 11:36 PM

Maybe replace Bolda with primbolan depot.

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mooksman

I know its discouraged on the net until ur 28th cycle, but maybe take a look at test/tren instead of test/eq. Or if not maybe npp

lol I know

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by pieguy

If he's not interested in Deca cause of harsh sides, he definitely won't like Tren. Iono, the elite section has this article saying deca causes damage to user DNA. It has me scared as shit and made me toss my NPP idea out the door

Same reason Im not touching it

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by DGettin

I ran it several times at about 500mg per week. Appetite was definitely increased and got really good strength gains from it. Not as much size as deca, but eq also doesn't make my nips itch! Someone mentioned tren... good shit, but if you don't want deca sides, you really don't want tren sides. I ran tren e once at a low dose and loved it, did not love the insomnia that came with though.

I would consider tren but ill probably end up sticking to equipoise most likely

**XYZ** · 08-23-2011, 08:03 AM

Why are you running the EQ longer than the test? The EQ ester takes a lot longer to clear than the test.

**GMO** · 08-23-2011, 08:22 AM

No tren on your second cycle bro. If you want to use EQ, run it for 16 and your test for 17, but that is a long cycle for your second run. Why not this instead:

Wk 1-6 Test E 500mg/wk
Wk 1-5 D-bol 50mg ED
Wk 7-12 Test E 750mg/wk
Wk 10-13 Super DMZ
Wk1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod or ed
Wk 1-13 hcg 250iu-500iu x2/wk

You will see good gains from this cycle especially if you are running peptides with it.

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by CT

Why are you running the EQ longer than the test? The EQ ester takes a lot longer to clear than the test.

sorry man I had the two mixed up the test should be longer than the equipoise

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

No tren on your second cycle bro. If you want to use EQ, run it for 16 and your test for 17, but that is a long cycle for your second run. Why not this instead:

Wk 1-6 Test E 500mg/wk
Wk 1-5 D-bol 50mg ED
Wk 7-12 Test E 750mg/wk
Wk 10-13 Super DMZ
Wk1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod or ed
Wk 1-13 hcg 250iu-500iu x2/wk

You will see good gains from this cycle especially if you are running peptides with it.

thanks GMO. If you guys think I should stick to test only with dbol kicker and super dmz as a finisher I will do that.

**SloppyJ** · 08-23-2011, 09:26 AM

If test only worked awesome for you, just keep doing that. Use the same dosage. If you gained 30lbs in 7 weeks I'd say you don't need anything else.

**World-Pharma.org** · 08-23-2011, 10:17 AM

You must to use great gear that you got 30lbs in 7 weeks

**squigader** · 08-23-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

If test only worked awesome for you, just keep doing that. Use the same dosage. If you gained 30lbs in 7 weeks I'd say you don't need anything else.

Exactly what this man said. And if you had to stop before you finished the cycle, you should just stick with the same thing. If test made you blow up fast enough that you wanted to stop, I'd just stay away from the equipoise and stick with what worked.

Also - 16-7 weeks??!?! That's way too damn long for your second cycle, or even for anyone IMO. You risk a shutdown for life with a 17-week cycle. Consider 10 or 12 weeks instead.

**SloppyJ** · 08-23-2011, 10:22 AM

I don't think a 16-20wk'r is too long. That's about right to take advantage of the EQ. And it's far from risking a total shutdown if you do it right.

**WantsWidth** · 08-23-2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Your cycle looks good but I want to mention a couple things. I'm running a similar cycle right now (just started) and before I started, I asked for advice on eq and everyone said to run at least 16 weeks some even said 20weeks.

you are running an ai right? If you aren't i would suggest aromasin for on cycle and pct.

The cycle I'm running is:
1-8 test e 500 mg 9-16 test e 750 mg
1-16 eq 600mg
Days 1-25 dbol 25mg
15-18 super dmz (not sure yet if I'll do it)
Aromasin 12.5 eod
Pct clomid and aromasin

I'm starting week 3 right now and I'm loving it.

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by squigader

Exactly what this man said. And if you had to stop before you finished the cycle, you should just stick with the same thing. If test made you blow up fast enough that you wanted to stop, I'd just stay away from the equipoise and stick with what worked.

Also - 16-7 weeks??!?! That's way too damn long for your second cycle, or even for anyone IMO. You risk a shutdown for life with a 17-week cycle. Consider 10 or 12 weeks instead.

Everyone say Equipoise has to be run at least 16 weeks to get the full effects since its such a long ester.

**Livebig14** · 08-23-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

You must to use great gear that you got 30lbs in 7 weeks

Yeah it was some good stuff

**GMO** · 08-23-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

Everyone say Equipoise has to be run at least 16 weeks to get the full effects since its such a long ester.

This^^^ is true. 16-20 weeks for optimal results...

Stick with the cycle I laid out for you and run EQ on your next cycle.

**malfeasance** · 08-23-2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

this article saying deca causes damage to user DNA. It has me scared as shit and made me toss my NPP idea out the door

What if they run another experiment and find that a test injection does the same thing? Or eq?
It could be the same with all of them, unless you know these same studies have already been run on other compounds.

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