Thread: Why are orals not favored?

I think they hold their place with some people's goals.
On forums that are majorly to do bodybuilding like this one alot of people's goald are diff, and injectables hold their place with alot of these goals. And yes it is safer.

I think though for people who only want something to gain a few pounds then oral cycles are fine. Look at the great results many of the people on here have had with using IronMag products.

So I am in a mind of both good and bad.

Originally Posted by RoidRat

why are they so bad?

they arent. The negative stigma comes from the guys who stay on em year round for whatever reason. Either scared to inject or ignorance.

They can be done, but running them with an injectable is just better all around. As SFW said, it is usually noobs that are scared to pin that want to run oral-only cycles. Them and the young people who have no business running any kind of gear whatsoever. It is just so easy for a teen to buy an OTC ph or ds to bulk up without fully realizing the consequences. Let's not kid ourselves, it IS much easier to pop a couple of pills ED, than injecting...

I also find it amusing that people who know next to nothing about gear always assume the injectable are 100x worse for your health as opposed to 17a/a orals. It makes me laugh. I love when people think they know what they are talking about.

It would be similar to me telling someone all about the history of Bulgaria even though I've never read a single book or did any research on Bulgaria. Ha.

idk pinning 2x a week is pretty damn easy.. I ran a oral ph for my first cycle cuz I didn't know where to get my gear and I was scared to pin.. I knew they were better all around because of safety and how much they can do compared to the limits orals have because of that 17aa..I leaned out a ton from it even though that wasn't really my goal.. but my diet was shitty so I am lucky it did that lol.. but I got my gear now and honestly pinning isn't that bad after the first couple times.. it's like taking a pill really.. just something you do.

you could probably manage some decent gains off an oral only cycle that you would taper on to and off of... but why not just pin? orals only generally are not the way to go though from what ive read.

Most orals cause liver stress.
Most will have a negative impact on your lipid profile.
Most will also raise blood pressure.
Most will cause your own natural test production to slow or stop. ---It is for this reason that you should always run test with ANY cycle. Basically ANY AAS will cause your own natural test production to slow down. This means that you may have elevated dianabol levels but you have shit for test levels.
Testosterone is anabolic in its own right and a test only cycle can be run. Why would you want this hormone low while on cycle or ever?
Testosterone is partially responsible for libido....so you may gain some size without it but your dick may also be limp and you may not want to have sex even if you could.
Testosterone is key for mood and wellbeing. If its low you feel tired, depressed, not motivated....if its high mood is great you feel energetic and strong.....

THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO NOT INCLUDE TEST ON EVERY CYCLE....period.

The only time you would pull it is maybe for a contest at the end. Otherwise always use test.

Dont be a pussy.
If you cant deal with the FACT that you need to use a needle to get your gear in you your not ready for AAS.

Oh and orals are NOT safer. Sorry.
I can blast a gram of test+ a week with no issues at all.
If I ate 20mg of dianabol a day for a 2 weeks and got a blood test my doctor would tell me I was dying.

Run orals if you want but understand that they are not safer, or even anywhere close to that.
Run orals for 4 weeks at the beginning or end of a cycle. Not as a cycle.

I agree with brundel. but some orals have their place.

I know alot of guys are worried about shooting home brew gear. (here in aus its only home brew or nothing). So yeah they are worries about how its made etc etc how clean and all. so they go for the orals.

But if the choice was equal......for sure shoot some testosterone!

I've done AAS up down and sideways. An oral only cycle has it's place in athletics. As a fighter the best approach was a mild oral for recovery and a little extra strength and drive. No water or stamina issues. At that time I was not looking to be Jay Cutler. I was looking to accelerate people into the ground and rip their arm off. A little var, winstrol or a teaspoon of dianabol was good for that. A gram of test.. not so much.

Orals do have their place. Orals work very well to pack on muscle or to help you lean out. OTC orals like super DMZ are awesome because you know they have been manufactured well and are what they say they are.
I ran some superdrol about a year ago and it was all sides......I didnt even gain any weight...just felt like crap.
I ran some Super DMZ and felt perfect the whole time and gained 6lbs (alot for me).

What I am saying in my above posts is that for the vast majority of people reading this, an oral should be a cycle addition.

500mg test c + a DMZ kick for 4 weeks is a great beginner cycle.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

I've done AAS up down and sideways. An oral only cycle has it's place in athletics. As a fighter the best approach was a mild oral for recovery and a little extra strength and drive. No water or stamina issues. At that time I was not looking to be Jay Cutler. I was looking to accelerate people into the ground and rip their arm off. A little var, winstrol or a teaspoon of dianabol was good for that. A gram of test.. not so much.

Test drive some halo
That shit makes me want to smash my training partner into the bench.

IMO orals are best used about 4-5 weeks into a cycle of a long estered test. The synergy is fucking amazing, especially with d-bol...

Originally Posted by brundel

Test drive some halo
That shit makes me want to smash my training partner into the bench.

Yes, I love halo preworkout...20-30mg gets me ready to pound the weights...

Originally Posted by RoidRat

I have read many posts, saying a orals only cycle is bad.

I do understand about the liver side effects, but apart from that, for mild gains, not wanting to look like the "Incredible Hulk" why are they so bad?

Well they are not so bad, unless you are already prone to liver problems or drink too much booze (or take lots of tylenol), but stuff like test for instance is much less toxic to your liver. Of course abuse either and you will run into some serious problems, albeit different ones.

But then again, if you do your cycle safely then you won't run into problems with either

Also, I think much of the stigma comes from noobs and teenagers who think that just cause its just a pill and they don't have to inject it then they can go wild with itm and take too much for too long, whereas people who use injectables for the most part are much better informed of what they're doing

Im on a 8 week dbol/adrol oral cycle, its fucking killer.

Originally Posted by brundel

Orals do have their place. Orals work very well to pack on muscle or to help you lean out. OTC orals like super DMZ are awesome because you know they have been manufactured well and are what they say they are.
I ran some superdrol about a year ago and it was all sides......I didnt even gain any weight...just felt like crap.
I ran some Super DMZ and felt perfect the whole time and gained 6lbs (alot for me).

What I am saying in my above posts is that for the vast majority of people reading this, an oral should be a cycle addition.

500mg test c + a DMZ kick for 4 weeks is a great beginner cycle.

im doing 500mg test e + dmz kick for 4 weeks for my first cycle!

Originally Posted by Malakas11

Well they are not so bad, unless you are already prone to liver problems or drink too much booze (or take lots of tylenol), but stuff like test for instance is much less toxic to your liver. Of course abuse either and you will run into some serious problems, albeit different ones.

But then again, if you do your cycle safely then you won't run into problems with either

I agree 100%! Well said and very true!!! Orals definately have their place - used correctly it can have real benefits

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Im on a 8 week dbol/adrol oral cycle, its fucking killer.

HITS all the right spots!

As far as im concerned "mild gains" are not what i use aas for. Creatine cabs good protein give you mild games when taken properly and followed by a good wo program. If im putting my body at risk then i want huge rewards. Basically what im saying is if you dont want to get big dont do gear.

my first cycle was test e i could not fucking wait to inject lol never even thought about doing them ph's and still doesnt really appeal to me...

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

As far as im concerned "mild gains" are not what i use aas for. Creatine cabs good protein give you mild games when taken properly and followed by a good wo program. If im putting my body at risk then i want huge rewards. Basically what im saying is if you dont want to get big dont do gear.

amen bro.

Stop being a pussy and pin it.