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    possible surgery... maintaining muscle??

    Fuck USA's lack of healthcare....


    So after training for 3-4 years in high school I was developing some shoulder pain, starting in one arm and gradually increasing in the other arm. Sleeping on my side aggravated the hell out of it and at it's worst I couldn't really raise whichever arm was inflamed at the time.

    Fast forward, at some point I move and don't go to the gym for about a year and a half. Pain completely goes away though joints don't feel totally stable and click when doing certain motions. Think nothing of it really that's just how my shoulders are I assume. Been back in the gym for about a year now, and pain started returning after about 6 months. It was sporadic and seemed to coincide with certain exercises, namely bench and occasionally rows. I don't have health insurance and am likely partially retarded so I avoid those exercises a bit and train through it. By the time I get through a few warmup sets the pain actually feels better, so I think it's fine. Starts happening more and more just with daily activities. This past week it's been pretty much unbearable, and as of yesterday I'm having trouble with moving at all.........

    So looking it up I'm pretty sure I damaged both of my labrum in my early lifting years, and it won't really ever heal without surgery. Going to the hospital today and I will know for sure. I'm like 90% sure it is the labrum and I will require surgery and a fairly long recovery. HOW THE HELL DO I MAINTAIN GAINS? I'm sure you can all understand this is depressing as hell to know you will be losing months of hard earned progress. I just want this to be over with, I'm literally praying for surgery so I can put this behind me. I just want to do everything possible to minimize the consequences. How should my diet be, should I be using something? I will continue cruising at 250mg of test unless there is some reason I shouldn't?? I'm sorry for the long story but I need to vent a bit

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    If you do have surgery, spend your recovery time focusing on your legs. Keep your diet strong and eat like a freak. Continuing a cruise should not be a problem. Keep focused on your long term goals and understand that losses are a very real factor in this situation but you will recover if you do physical therapy and don't attempt things before your are really ready.
    Last edited by KUVinny; 08-26-2011 at 01:32 PM.

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    Yeah for sure, my legs could use some catch up anyway. Will I be able to hold the bar to squat or will that be too much strain?

    I know eating enough will be a big part of maintaining, but how do I avoid getting fat. I'll probably just spend this time working abs and legs and try to stay lean so I can at least not look like shit.

    I'd invest in some GH if it will help my recovery as well, any problems with that?

    reps for your support though bro

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    About a year ago, I had an MRI done on my shoulder and was told I had a possible "slap" tear, but would need an MRA to confirm. I was not in a position to undergo surgery because I would have to cover a majority of the cost. So I left it alone, and trained around the problem. I was careful when it came to press exercises. If I pushed just a bit too much and went too heavy, the damn thing would start screaming at me right there in the gym. The pain would subside a couple hours later and be gone by the next morning.

    Six months ago I started GH at 4 iu and bumped it to 6 about 2 months ago. today I did chest and pushed myself hard. I did not have any problems.

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    I believe mine might be a SLAP tear as well. I've never gone exceptionally heavy on bench, and since starting again I rarely do it at all. Even light weight seems to aggravate it.

    Good to know about the GH though, I'm going to push for surgery if possible and hopefully that will help it heal back to 100% afterwards.

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    CJC/GHRP combo seems to help people with these pains. I don't have them but I am on that combo and it's legit.

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    There are 4 types of SLAP tears. Types 1 is the best scenario and should only require debridement. Recovery time should be less than if an anchor is needed as part of a repair.

    Please let us know what happens at the hospital.

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    sorry to hear bro, i tore my labrum last year, im still lifting and currently on cycle, it feels fine but i will need surgery eventually. ive got no insurance
    how about cruising on trt dose test, and maybe low dose hgh

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    Thanks for your condolences guys, I'm more depressed about potentially being out of the gym for a while than I would've ever thought. Especially after doing my first cycle and looking so much better, going back to not lifting whatsoever is going to suckkk

    Just got back from the hospital though and they were very little help. Gave me an anti-inflammatory injection in the worse of the two and prescribed me some naproxen lol. They said it's not a rotator cuff injury because I can still resist pressure, it's just very painful. They couldn't do an MRI right there apparently and an xray wouldn't help because it's soft tissue. Told me to rest for ten days and see if it got better, I guess they missed the part where I took a year off at one point and it didn't heal... So I have to schedule an appt. for an ortho. Doc said there are two main possibilities, it's either a labrum tear or impingement. It's in the right spot for that and my acromion is shaped in such a way that I'm prone to impingement. I guess that would be the better of the two options because I believe they just have to remove some bone and that will heal fairly fast. Soo all in all I should've just went straight to the ortho had I known they wouldn't do an MRI, money wasted, lesson learned.

    On the bright side this time will allow me to catch up on lower body, and after I heal up completely I should actually be able to bring up my bench and potentially get back into mma training. As much as I despise the general populations obsession with the bench press, I do miss it lol. And obviously throwing punches and having people contort your limbs into uncomfortable positions is the last thing I should be doing with an injury like this. As much as I will hate the next few months, I'm looking forward to getting it over with and being back to 100% again.
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    Sorry to hear bro. Since I'm an athlete, I struggle with injuries all the time and it's frustrating to not be able to do what you want. I've found that when I have an injury that you just have to find something you can workout and work the hell out of it. If you can't do arms, then you still have legs, abs, and cardio. If you are on gear, I'd recommend using rubber bands lightly for arms because just sending some blood to get a light pump might be enough to keep gains. I wish you a speedy recovery bro.

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    thanks I'm hoping the test will help somewhat. I'm gonna keep my diet clean as hell and try not to put on any fat, but I'm wondering would it be bad to cut down a bit. I'm gonna up my cardio and work everything that I possibly can til this is over with.

    I'll be getting some GH as soon as possible, what dosage would be good for recovery and maintenance and keeping bodyfat in check? Also I will gladly up my test to 500 or so from 250 if that will also help me maintain more muscle, without negatively affecting collagen production?

    Also a quick word on Deca, that was my last cycle and it did seem to help my shoulders while on. I'm really thinking all it did was mask the pain though because after coming off the pain returned and is now as bad as ever just over a month later. So just a word to the wise, just because your joints feel better on deca doesn't give you free reign to wreck the shit out of them thinking they're all good.

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    I feel for you bro...have had a major shoulder reconstruct years ago and it was tough. Don't push it!! You probably won't be able to grab the bar and do squats for a while afterwards, but there are plenty of other lifts you can do in the meantime. Good luck!!!

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    I don't think it is a good idea to try to maintain body mass with Anabolics during your recuperation. Personally, I'd take the time off and allow my body to heal completely. Complete your physical therapy and just take a break for awhile from training. I know how hard that can be, but your strength and stamina will return quickly enough, and the last thing you want to risk is further injury. When the time comes, begin training again slowly and carefully, and you will be back stronger than ever in no time.

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    Yeah you're probably right on the AAS part, I'm going to continue cruising though that's a given.

    And yes it's going to be hard but I really don't want to jeapordize my chances of full recovery. If all goes well I will truly be back stronger than ever because this has been affecting my training on and off for quite a while. Thanks for all the advice and support bros, it means alot.

    Question on diet though, should I just make sure I'm eating enough to maintain as much as possible and say fuck whatever fat accumulates? Or should I be eating less and doing more cardio to stay lean and risk losing even more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalash View Post
    If all goes well I will truly be back stronger than ever because this has been affecting my training on and off for quite a while.
    Exactly. Your receptors are gonna be nice and clean, unless you keep cruising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalash View Post
    Question on diet though, should I just make sure I'm eating enough to maintain as much as possible and say fuck whatever fat accumulates? Or should I be eating less and doing more cardio to stay lean and risk losing even more?
    Well the bottom line is that if you don't use it, you'll lose it unless you are genetically predisposed to a muscular frame (meso). As long as you are keeping your diet decent and doing at least some form of physical therapy or like was said before; training legs - you shouldn't lose everything. It would be like taking 2 steps forward and one step back I reckon.

    If you are burning a tiny bit less than you are taking in calorically you should maintain a fair amount of mass. I wouldn't go crazy with the cardio. 3-5 HIIT sessions a week should be plenty.
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