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History: I ran a tbol only cycle from Mr.z loved the results. Ran nolva after. I ran this around January.
Now: about a month ago I noticed some sides of gyno on my left nipple, I know its gyno so no need to debate that.
I just got my supply of Letro in, however I wanted to run a cycle during the summer but naps never showed up. Smh. So now I have a new cycle on the way already.
1-10 test cyp 500mg/week
1-14 adex .5eod
7-12 winny 75mg/ed
12-16 nolva 20mg/ed
Question: I didn't get enough nolva to run after Letro and after cycle. Would it be ok to run Letro then start the cycle right at the end of tapering down?

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so you had no history or preexisting gyno, and then it came months after a tbol only cycle?
whats ur bf%

I had it before from 2 years ago from a prohormone cycle without pct. Took Letro b4 tbol then followed up with nolva, then ran tbol and proper pct.
On a side note the medication I take for my tourettes has a couple very rare side effects describing gyno. I've been on the medication since highschool and its random for it to show up now, but that's the only conclusion I can come up with for the delayed gyno.
I'm around 10% Bf


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Ha ha ha, I don't have the vocal, my arm will twitch from time to time, I have a mild case

Lol why r u bumping this?

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If it were me broski I would wait a little bit after your letro therapy is through. I wouldn't jump right into your cycle the DAY after your last dose of letro. I would give it a week to see if you experience any rebound. Trust me rebound sucks. You feel like a bag of smashed asshole.
On second thought, if your "gyno sides" are nothing more than sensative nips, save the letro and pick up some more nolva.
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yep if you're gonna run letro I think using nolva afterwards is a necessity
Don't feel like looking for the study but it only takes an insanely small dosage of letro to destroy your estrogen levels, add that to it's very long half life and it's hard to taper. You should always followup with a serm until estro normalizes
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Ight thank guys, I'll order another thing of nolva. Much appreciated!

I also read that nolva for 2 weeks (20/10) would be enough after Letro? Seems kinda short imo

If you have existing gyno, prior to starting, I would run letro during the cycle. While armidex (combined with a very clean diet and aas) may reduce existing gyno, it does not contain the reversing properties of letro. I am gyno prone during bulk cycles and always run letro during the cycle. If your diet and cardio are in check, they will work very nicely with Letro. I would refrain from running Letro prior, because if you are prone to gyno then it might return with the introduction of high supplemental testosterone levels.
Also, your PCT can use some tweaking. I would implement hcg and clomid, to maximize results. My reasoning for this is to avoid a crash in testosterone levels, resulting in high estroidal levels. The hcg will help stabilize your natural test production by triggering production and the nova/clomid will help limit the conversion to estrogen. The ideology of this PCT is to moderate the transition of high supplemental hormone levels, to levels naturally produced by your body (which is the science of PCT)
Again, diet and cardio are as important as the chemicals. Browse around this forum and you will find all the answers you need.
Best of luck
Last edited by Gr8gear; 08-29-2011 at 10:49 PM. Reason: Grammatical

Thanx

OMG this made my day. BOB SAGET!!!!
On a serious note, gyno is a bitch. I am one of the unfortunate bastards who has had it since 11 years old, severe case. I've always been very cautious and gotten as informed as I could about cycles and proper PCTs so I didn't make it any worse. I've seen pictures of AAS induced gyno, and it's even less pretty than my moobs...
I finally got fed up after 17 years of having man titties so I am finishing up my PCT now and getting the glandular tissue and the minimal fat surrounding it cut the eff out in October, after which I will recover from and continue to be careful and stay informed. My goal has never been to outlift everyone or be the strongest, I guess just being the best me I can be. My outlook on life since the initial consultation for the procedure has never been better.
No one truly knows the psychology of severe gynecomastia unless they have suffered it themselves. It takes over every part of your consciousness and in my eyes has been a very significant contributor to my battles with drug addiction and mental illness. My gynecomastia is hereditary. Trust me people, don't fuck up by being ignorant with powerful substances. Gynecomastia is something you don't want. Neither is the $4,500 bill for surgery. It's a COSMETIC procedure, not RECONSTRUCTIVE - you better have a fat wallet if you're not ready to take every precaution.
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