cycles and genetics

**Glycomann** · 08-29-2011, 06:46 AM

Here is an interesting old thread about a supposed pro and his Olympia cycle. Many of you will call bull s8it. Maybe so but consider the arguement below after you browse the cycle.

STEROID CYCLE OF A PRO Mr. Olympia

I've been in gyms for nearly 35 years and been cycling for over 20. I've seen natural guys that were freaks that never did any AAS that grew like crazy. One was my best friend for a lot of years and was a Natural Mr. World. Some guys just have some sort of genetic make up that seemingly allows nearly unlimited muscle growth. I assume most of the top pros are like this and using fairly moderate doses, compared to the average gym rat board warrior, may be all that's needed. Imagine yourself maybe 225 at 10% bodyfat after 12 years of training and cycling with moderate amounts of drugs and lets say you are above average as far as bodybuilding. Say you use a gram of AAS and 2-4 iu of GH 5 on 2 off, eat 90% perfect and train hard and regularly. Now imagine you have a myostatin mutation that basically makes myostatin non-functional, an IGF-1 mutation that causes 3-5 times as much to be present, and an androgen receptor mutation that allows more of them to be expressed. In my mind it is completely possible that the elite in bodybuilding could have something similar in their genetic make up. Now superimpose all the same conditions in diet, training, rest and drug use. I can see a bodybuilder that is 265 on stage at 4% bodyfat. What do you think?

**Digitalash** · 08-29-2011, 06:58 AM

Of course some people just have crazy natural growth potential, and I agree how you respond to drugs plays a big part in who becomes a pro.

The way I've heard it though it's more that they're able to handle crazy dosages without side effects, but then I've never seen any proof that these huge cycles you see are actually what pros are using.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-29-2011, 08:25 AM

Some people are blessed, but even that only gets you so far.

**Livebig14** · 08-29-2011, 09:06 AM

No. I don't care how great your genetics are. Guys that get to Cutlers size (260+ at 4%) are using MASSIVE amounts of gear. And the only pro I know of that had the myostatin mutation was flex wheeler and even he was known for taking anything and everything that anybody gave him gear wise. No human body was made to get to that size, and no human body can get to that size without a LOT of chemical enhancement. Also, these guys are taking things that us on this board have probably never even heard of. My cousin competed in bodybuilding for about 10 years and he would hear rumors of the elite guys running GH on a drip. Now this is just my opinion, and thats all that everyone will post on here because bottom line the only ones that know what top pros are taking are the pros themselves.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-29-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

No. I don't care how great your genetics are. Guys that get to Cutlers size (260+ at 4%) are using MASSIVE amounts of gear. And the only pro I know of that had the myostatin mutation was flex wheeler and even he was known for taking anything and everything that anybody gave him gear wise. No human body was made to get to that size, and no human body can get to that size without a LOT of chemical enhancement. Also, these guys are taking things that us on this board have probably never even heard of. My cousin competed in bodybuilding for about 10 years and he would hear rumors of the elite guys running GH on a drip. Now this is just my opinion, and thats all that everyone will post on here because bottom line the only ones that know what top pros are taking are the pros themselves.

I agree, thats why I said genetics will only take you so far. Juice, HGH, and insulin are used like we probably couldn't imagine.

**Rambo88** · 08-29-2011, 11:15 AM

Am i just stupid... Y wasnt he running test week 7-9

**Glycomann** · 08-29-2011, 12:05 PM

OK then carry on...

**Glycomann** · 08-29-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rambo88

Am i just stupid... Y wasnt he running test week 7-9

To help dry out.

**Livebig14** · 08-29-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

I agree, thats why I said genetics will only take you so far. Juice, HGH, and insulin are used like we probably couldn't imagine.

yep you got it I think the same thing

**Glycomann** · 08-29-2011, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

yep you got it I think the same thing

I probably would have been as fast to believe that too if I had not met a couple of natural freaks. But yeah I believe at that national and pro level there is a lot of abuse. I'd also bet that some guys get away with a lot less. I've interacted with enough guys over the years to come to that conclusion. You have your Creg Titus and your Milos Sarcev. Then you have a few that go pretty low and that does the job. Once you are best friends with a natural guy at 5'6" with over 20 inch arms you can easily extrapolate.

**World-Pharma.org** · 08-29-2011, 02:13 PM

but first of all DIET is key..then all rest.

**Livebig14** · 08-29-2011, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Glycomann

I probably would have been as fast to believe that too if I had not met a couple of natural freaks. But yeah I believe at that national and pro level there is a lot of abuse. I'd also bet that some guys get away with a lot less. I've interacted with enough guys over the years to come to that conclusion. You have your Creg Titus and your Milos Sarcev. Then you have a few that go pretty low and that does the job. Once you are best friends with a natural guy at 5'6" with over 20 inch arms you can easily extrapolate.

I agree with that. There are definatley natural "freaks" out there. But it really depends on your definition of freak. I have a buddy who is 220 at 5'8 with about 11% bodyfat right now and has never touched anything besides creatine. But I still think that to be the size of today mass monster "freaks" like Coleman or Cutler you have to abuse large amounts of multiple steroids, insulin, ifg-1, myostatin inhibitors, and HGH almost year round.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-29-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

I agree with that. There are definatley natural "freaks" out there. But it really depends on your definition of freak. I have a buddy who is 220 at 5'8 with about 11% bodyfat right now and has never touched anything besides creatine. But I still think that to be the size of today mass monster "freaks" like Coleman or Cutler you have to abuse large amounts of multiple steroids, insulin, ifg-1, myostatin inhibitors, and HGH almost year round.

I agree.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-29-2011, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Glycomann

I probably would have been as fast to believe that too if I had not met a couple of natural freaks. But yeah I believe at that national and pro level there is a lot of abuse. I'd also bet that some guys get away with a lot less. I've interacted with enough guys over the years to come to that conclusion. You have your Creg Titus and your Milos Sarcev. Then you have a few that go pretty low and that does the job. Once you are best friends with a natural guy at 5'6" with over 20 inch arms you can easily extrapolate.

I'm not saying you have to take steroids to be big, but you do if you want to look like Mr. Olympia! Haha. Some people have the genetics to gain 20 inch arms with diet, rest and proper training. I on the other hand needed the gear to get to where I am, personally!

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