Thread: Trenbolone, a practical application~Updated

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I've recently had to drop tren because of hypertension. But I'm planning on running it again w an ace inhibitor.
An interesting thing that I noticed is that my libido was off the charts. I was a sexual predator chasing my wife around. I keep hearing about decreased libido w tren though, anyone else experience this? I've ran test and mast and never really noticed an increase in libido either.

I use Advanced Cycle Support for BP and organ health. CQ-10 (one of the ingredients) has been proven in studies to lower BP quite a bit and it's a very heart healthy anti oxidant.

Tren also raises my libido.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I use Advanced Cycle Support for BP and organ health. CQ-10 (one of the ingredients) has been proven in studies to lower BP quite a bit and it's a very heart healthy anti oxidant.

Tren also raises my libido.

thanks for the info. I guess I'm just lucky w/ tren libido.

I'm skeptical of supplements though, including coQ10. I rehab heart patients and see this a lot. They try to come off of their bp meds with coQ 10 and always have to go back to their real meds. Or, they just choose to have hypertension because they don't want the meds.

Tren hypertension could be different, and maybe coq10 works for it, but my experience has been that it doesn't do anything for my patients. Same thing for glucosamine.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

thanks for the info. I guess I'm just lucky w/ tren libido.

I'm skeptical of supplements though, including coQ10. I rehab heart patients and see this a lot. They try to come off of their bp meds with coQ 10 and always have to go back to their real meds. Or, they just choose to have hypertension because they don't want the meds.

Tren hypertension could be different, and maybe coq10 works for it, but my experience has been that it doesn't do anything for my patients. Same thing for glucosamine.

CQ-10 has real evidence on Pubmed for lowering BP. Not sure you could say the same for glucosamine. I also think patients arn't usually as responsible as a bodybuilder when it comes to diet and exercise.

"Yeah, I'll take my heart meds when I'm on my smoke break eating a egg Mcmuffin w/cheese and extra sausage..."

Keep in mind your hypertension may also be related to water retention/weight gain due to using aas as well. Anyway, if you want to see actual studies on CQ-10 and BP I will dig them up for you.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

CQ-10 has real evidence on Pubmed for lowering BP. Not sure you could say the same for glucosamine. I also think patients arn't usually as responsible as a bodybuilder when it comes to diet and exercise.

"Yeah, I'll take my heart meds when I'm on my smoke break eating a egg Mcmuffin w/cheese and extra sausage..."

Keep in mind your hypertension may also be related to water retention/weight gain due to using aas as well. Anyway, if you want to see actual studies on CQ-10 and BP I will dig them up for you.

I know you're a busy guy, but I would love to see those studies when you have time. Thanks for taking the time.

I'm curious which population the studies are done on, and if my patients are just too far along with CAD that CO q10 just isn't enough for their level of disease. My patients are mostly post bypass, Valve repair/replacement, cardiomyopathy, or congestive heart failure.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I know you're a busy guy, but I would love to see those studies when you have time. Thanks for taking the time.

I'm curious which population the studies are done on, and if my patients are just too far along with CAD that CO q10 just isn't enough for their level of disease. My patients are mostly post bypass, Valve repair/replacement, cardiomyopathy, or congestive heart failure.

Here is one of several I have seen. Use the search feature at Pubmed for more.
Treatment of essential hypertension with coe... [Mol Aspects Med. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Here is one of several I have seen. Use the search feature at Pubmed for more.
Treatment of essential hypertension with coe... [Mol Aspects Med. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

Most of these patients saw a drop in bp after 1-6 months of therapy. This wouldn't be beneficial for someone needing to keep bp under control while on tren though. My bp is normal w/o tren.

very new to the forum and now just starting first cycle just test -e ive thought about adding tren-e around weeks 6-12 so this information is so in depth its great seems any questions i have are also being asked so i can always find the answers im looking for thanks guys

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Most of these patients saw a drop in bp after 1-6 months of therapy. This wouldn't be beneficial for someone needing to keep bp under control while on tren though. My bp is normal w/o tren.

I use CQ-10 year around myself. If you are looking for a study with Tren and CQ-10 there isn't one though.

Here's a shorter trial;

Coenzyme Q10 improves blood pressure and gly... [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI

There are many studies showing this effect in a variety of populations. If you use the search feature on Pubmed you will see a huge number of different actual studies.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I use CQ-10 year around myself. If you are looking for a study with Tren and CQ-10 there isn't one though.

Here's a shorter trial;

Coenzyme Q10 improves blood pressure and gly... [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI

There are many studies showing this effect in a variety of populations. If you use the search feature on Pubmed you will see a huge number of different actual studies.

good info, thanks. I'm not doubting you, you seem like an objective person.

I'm just wondering about the efficacy of using it only while you're on tren, since you're usually only on for about 6-8 weeks, and the majority of the studies are for a much longer time period.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

good info, thanks. I'm not doubting you, you seem like an objective person.

I'm just wondering about the efficacy of using it only while you're on tren, since you're usually only on for about 6-8 weeks, and the majority of the studies are for a much longer time period.

CQ-10 has several positive effects so I see it more as a daily supplement all year long not a short term sup. As far as study length I have seen them as short as 4 weeks with positive effects to BP. Here is a meta-analysis;

Systematic review of effect of coenzyme Q10 in ph... [Biofactors. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

CoQ10 IN HYPERTENSION. We identified eight published trials of CoQ10 in hypertension. Altogether in the eight studies the mean decrease in systolic blood pressure was 16 mm Hg and in diastolic blood pressure, 10 mm Hg. Being devoid of significant side effects CoQ10 may have a role as an adjunct or alternative to conventional agents in the treatment of hypertension.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

CQ-10 has several positive effects so I see it more as a daily supplement all year long not a short term sup. As far as study length I have seen them as short as 4 weeks with positive effects to BP. Here is a meta-analysis;

Systematic review of effect of coenzyme Q10 in ph... [Biofactors. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

CoQ10 IN HYPERTENSION. We identified eight published trials of CoQ10 in hypertension. Altogether in the eight studies the mean decrease in systolic blood pressure was 16 mm Hg and in diastolic blood pressure, 10 mm Hg. Being devoid of significant side effects CoQ10 may have a role as an adjunct or alternative to conventional agents in the treatment of hypertension.

Wow, that's a significant drop, especially diastolic. Thanks.

The "love/hate" reference sums it up best. I have always had a "crush" on Tren but want to bitch-slap it sometimes as well, lol. All you Tren users can identify I'm sure!

Originally Posted by BigBird

The "love/hate" reference sums it up best. I have always had a "crush" on Tren but want to bitch-slap it sometimes as well, lol. All you Tren users can identify I'm sure!

Yup, Tren needs to be used with respect. Doses do not typically need to be very high for it to work well especially when stacked with a good Testosterone.

Euro-Pharmacies Trenbolone Acetate has zero turbidity and zero oxidative color. This Trenbolone product looks quite pure. Many times when the Trenbolone hormone is over heated for sterilization it causes the solution to turn a darker color. This oxidation may contain some impurities. Looking at the EP Tren there is no oxidation of hormone.

WOW more great knowledge shared by Heavy again. One day I hope to know some percentage of what you are talking about but I think that day is still far off. Thank you though, another great write up for me and all to learn from!

Thanks brother!

Nice write up HI.

nice post!