PCT or not to PCT?

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 01:27 PM

been on test e then sust since December about 750 mg to 1g /week. took hcg every 3.5 days for the last few weeks. I have been off test for 3 weeks tomorrow. libido is ok, not great, scrotum about half normal now, bf about 13%. no sides other than oily forehead still. Question is:

should I wait longer to do a clomid restart? I was thinking of starting tomorrow ( 3 weeks off sust)

OR should I just start again in 2 weeks since my sides are minimal??
Thanks

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-31-2011, 01:59 PM

Honestly? 8 months of test that high?? I suggest getting some blood work done ASAP, and don't fuck around with your PCT at this point. You're going to crash, and you're going to crash hard... Good luck

**pieguy** · 08-31-2011, 02:19 PM

Um, you've been on a pretty high dosage of test for a really long time, no question. I would begin running your stane/Clomid PCT right now and take blood work to check your hormones and lipids. I wonder what your HDL/HDL is at right now. You did some pretty irresponsible cycling honestly.

**SloppyJ** · 08-31-2011, 02:27 PM

^^ I wouldn't even consider it cycling.

**littlekev** · 08-31-2011, 02:35 PM

I would get blood work for sure and im hoping you had blood work done every other month or so. I understand the want for gains and its tough to go off, but that is to high to just chill at for 8 or 9 months. Unless your a pro, but thats a higher dose, and a whole different story. My opinion is id go to doc! Good luck

**oufinny** · 08-31-2011, 02:47 PM

Wow, just wow. This borders on that whole steroid addiction idea. Doctor, bloods, say a prayer cause you might be on TRT now for the duration.

**pieguy** · 08-31-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by oufinny

Wow, just wow. This borders on that whole steroid addiction idea. Doctor, bloods, say a prayer cause you might be on TRT now for the duration.

That means he gets what he wants right?

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 03:51 PM

WOW...i guess I better clear this up a bit...
Mid December to end of Jan... 6 weeks... 500/wk test e. then
off for 6 weeks pct was toco 8+ some other PP products.
then in late march been on sust 250 at 750/week for 10 weeks + adex EOD
took 2 weeks off -- no pct, just off
then sust for 8 weeks at 1000mg
took hcg for last 4 weeks while pinning
been off 3 weeks now.

Previously i did only 2 X 12 week cycles per year.. mostly test P and tren or test E and tbol. with pct of course.

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

Um, you've been on a pretty high dosage of test for a really long time, no question. I would begin running your stane/Clomid PCT right now and take blood work to check your hormones and lipids. I wonder what your HDL/HDL is at right now. You did some pretty irresponsible cycling honestly.

did have lipid profile and all was within normal range. bp is always very good too.

**SloppyJ** · 08-31-2011, 03:56 PM

So really what you're saying is that you cycled for 8 months off and on without a proper PCT?

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

^^ I wouldn't even consider it cycling.

me either.......... the way I explained it at first.

I actually am not as irresponsible as how I started this thread.

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

So really what you're saying is that you cycled for 8 months off and on without a proper PCT?

yes... the first pct back through Feb worked out great.
I'm concerned because I did go on pretty much since April to beginning of August...so a little over 4 months actually.

before i would only be on 3 months at the longest so i went 4 this time to use all my stuff.

**SloppyJ** · 08-31-2011, 04:08 PM

OTC stuff doesn't count as a real PCT unless you have blood tests to back it up.

**nopainnogain** · 08-31-2011, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

OTC stuff doesn't count as a real PCT unless you have blood tests to back it up.

Ok.. so i just start my clomid then?? im doing my typical
300 day 1 then 100/ day for 10 days then 50/day for 10 days.

**GMO** · 08-31-2011, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by nopainnogain

Ok.. so i just start my clomid then?? im doing my typical
300 day 1 then 100/ day for 10 days then 50/day for 10 days.

Yes run your Clomid and also Aromasin @ 25/25/12.5/12.5. You never mentioned your age, but if you are mid-late twenties or thirties, you should be able to recover your natural test production EVENTUALLY. The older you are, the harder it is going to be and the longer it is going to take. I would take a LONG time off of any AAS use if I were you.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 08-31-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by nopainnogain

WOW...i guess I better clear this up a bit...
Mid December to end of Jan... 6 weeks... 500/wk test e. then
off for 6 weeks pct was toco 8+ some other PP products.
then in late march been on sust 250 at 750/week for 10 weeks + adex EOD
took 2 weeks off -- no pct, just off
then sust for 8 weeks at 1000mg
took hcg for last 4 weeks while pinning
been off 3 weeks now.

Previously i did only 2 X 12 week cycles per year.. mostly test P and tren or test E and tbol. with pct of course.

Even worse. Lol. You should have just let it ride with your original story!

**malfeasance** · 09-01-2011, 07:05 AM

Two weeks off of sust, with its decanoate ester, is not even off!

Wow.

What do you mean should I start again in 2 weeks? Start more gear? Hell no!

Are you even paying attention to what you are doing to yourself?

**bigmoe65** · 09-01-2011, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

Yes run your Clomid and also Aromasin @ 25/25/12.5/12.5. You never mentioned your age, but if you are mid-late twenties or thirties, you should be able to recover your natural test production EVENTUALLY. The older you are, the harder it is going to be and the longer it is going to take. I would take a LONG time off of any AAS use if I were you.

This^^^

Honestly this shows how resilient the body is. When I cycled I never did pct either because it really wasnt known at the time. Hcg was it right before coming off. Now Im in my early 40's and my test levels are in the mid 500's.

**nopainnogain** · 09-01-2011, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

This^^^

Honestly this shows how resilient the body is. When I cycled I never did pct either because it really wasnt known at the time. Hcg was it right before coming off. Now Im in my early 40's and my test levels are in the mid 500's.

VERY TRUE... i have done at least a dozen 3 month cycles when i was in my 20's and NEVER did a pct. I only started doing a PCT 4 years ago. I NEVER get gyno or other estrogen sides. hairy back as usual but us men in the family are hairy anyway and not even my grandfather is bald..he in his 80's now. so I did have blood work done yesterday at a s---- m-- clinic. I'll know Monday they said and I'll post results. they did a saliva test for a quicky and said I'm at normal levels..700's..how can that be?
by the way im 5-7 190 10-13%bf 39yo N*C show coming up next spring

**nopainnogain** · 09-01-2011, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Two weeks off of sust, with its decanoate ester, is not even off!

Wow.

What do you mean should I start again in 2 weeks? Start more gear? Hell no!

Are you even paying attention to what you are doing to yourself?

I wont pin again until I know my blood work looks good....next year maybe? I dont' know how long to wait to start pct because of the sust.. i've read 3 to 6 weeks and was just checking here to get other opinions.

**skinnyguy180** · 09-01-2011, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Even worse. Lol. You should have just let it ride with your original story!

LOL that exactly what i was thinking... Hes not just a fuck up hes an over achiever

I would start pct..

**skinnyguy180** · 09-01-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by nopainnogain

I wont pin again until I know my blood work looks good....next year maybe? I dont' know how long to wait to start pct because of the sust.. i've read 3 to 6 weeks and was just checking here to get other opinions.

It will depend on what long acting esters are in your sust. but 2weeks is pretty common time period to start your pct definatley dont wait 6

**Digitalash** · 09-01-2011, 12:17 PM

Yeah I'd start pct now, at the very least with an AI like aromasin. Even better start your pct now and run it a few weeks longer just in case you didn't time the esters right. You might need a long pct anyway after this.

**nopainnogain** · 10-24-2011, 02:33 PM

Well...i did 4 weeks of clomid through september... did blood work last week.. 4 weeks off pct. Dr called and said all is good. no problems at all. I still have no sides at all. No shrinkage anymore and I actually have been the same weight and have same definition as when on PCT.
The body is resilient.

**squigader** · 10-24-2011, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Honestly? 8 months of test that high?? I suggest getting some blood work done ASAP, and don't fuck around with your PCT at this point. You're going to crash, and you're going to crash hard... Good luck

Originally Posted by pieguy

Um, you've been on a pretty high dosage of test for a really long time, no question. I would begin running your stane/Clomid PCT right now and take blood work to check your hormones and lipids. I wonder what your HDL/HDL is at right now. You did some pretty irresponsible cycling honestly.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

^^ I wouldn't even consider it cycling.

Originally Posted by oufinny

Wow, just wow. This borders on that whole steroid addiction idea. Doctor, bloods, say a prayer cause you might be on TRT now for the duration.

Originally Posted by GMO

Yes run your Clomid and also Aromasin @ 25/25/12.5/12.5. You never mentioned your age, but if you are mid-late twenties or thirties, you should be able to recover your natural test production EVENTUALLY. The older you are, the harder it is going to be and the longer it is going to take. I would take a LONG time off of any AAS use if I were you.

Originally Posted by nopainnogain

Well...i did 4 weeks of clomid through september... did blood work last week.. 4 weeks off pct. Dr called and said all is good. no problems at all. I still have no sides at all. No shrinkage anymore and I actually have been the same weight and have same definition as when on PCT.
The body is resilient.

Your test levels are in the normal range? Praise Jesus, and don't do it again. You're lucky as fuck.

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