Thread: Test e Deca cycle for Endurance athelete

Dude you need clomid !
Thats what restarts your HTPA system.
Nolva is just an estrogen blocker.

I was doing the same kind of training on a dbol deca and test e cycle.
safe to say it backfired. Constant back and calf pumps meant i could barley run 3 mile without crying in pain.You may be different as your running such a small dose.

After it my joints where fantastic and running is a dream now.

So blaze what dosage of Clomid would you recomend? the only reason i ask is that ive read a lot of diferent theories as to what dosage load it with high dosage in the begining etc i was thinking it would probably fall in the 100/50/50/50 i would run it with the nolva. the only reason i ask is because when i did my first i was told to pick one so i picked nolva.... It was test only though and the sides from clomid dont sound to fun but man boob and peanuts for balls dont either so i can cope with being moody.....

Hey Smitty I use to do your kind of training and Test/Deca isn't the best choice, it will just shut you down. Invest in the Schering Primo Depot 400mg/wk with hg Anavar 40mg ED will have minimal shut down and Proviron 50mg ED will free up more of your natural test and its not 17aa so not toxic.
RE: http://www.napsgear.net/pre-designed...ins-cycle-p484

Originally Posted by OnPoint88

Hey Smitty I use to do your kind of training and Test/Deca isn't the best choice, it will just shut you down. Invest in the Schering Primo Depot 400mg/wk with hg Anavar 40mg ED will have minimal shut down and Proviron 50mg ED will free up more of your natural test and its not 17aa so not toxic.
RE: http://www.napsgear.net/pre-designed...ins-cycle-p484

Minimal shutdown? No such thing bro. Any exogenous androgen whether DHT derivative or not, is going to shut down your natural test poduction. You also risk libido issues and lethary, if you do not run some sort of test ester with those two compounds. I agree that deca is not the way to go, but nether is a primo/anavar cycle.

Originally Posted by GMO

Minimal shutdown? No such thing bro. Any exogenous androgen whether DHT derivative or not, is going to shut down your natural test poduction. You also risk libido issues and lethary, if you do not run some sort of test ester with those two compounds. I agree that deca is not the way to go, but nether is a primo/anavar cycle.

Going off this:
The ester derivative of methenolone is a long acting anabolic with extremely low androgenic properties and has the chemical name of 17ß-hydroxy-1-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one acetate. This anabolic steroid has active life of 5 days and can be detected in the urine for up to 3-8 weeks. It has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 88:44-57 and its molecular weight is 344.488 g/mol at the base.
By promoting sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) and luteinizing hormone (LH), Primobolan stimulates production of total and active testosterone so that users can expect nothing but perfection and improvements. In addition to that, the steroid also demonstrates efficacy for promotion of protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, and muscle mass in as short as six to eight weeks.

Originally Posted by OnPoint88

Going off this:
The ester derivative of methenolone is a long acting anabolic with extremely low androgenic properties and has the chemical name of 17ß-hydroxy-1-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one acetate. This anabolic steroid has active life of 5 days and can be detected in the urine for up to 3-8 weeks. It has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 88:44-57 and its molecular weight is 344.488 g/mol at the base.
By promoting sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) and luteinizing hormone (LH), Primobolan stimulates production of total and active testosterone so that users can expect nothing but perfection and improvements. In addition to that, the steroid also demonstrates efficacy for promotion of protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, and muscle mass in as short as six to eight weeks.

Primobolan Depot decreases both Luteinizing hormones, as well as Follicle-stimulating hormones, both of which are essential for testosterone production; without these two hormones there is no testosterone. So yes, Primobolan will shut you down. ANY exogenous androgen results in HPTA shut down. It is a medical/scientific fact and there are countless articles out there about it.

GMO ive heard your position before (against deca) but i have read about triathletes geting caught for usage of deca.... and since im swiming running and biking... with a lot of calisthenics and some lifting involved i thought my training would parallel theirs...... I've also looked at EQ but after all is said and done i have deca test-e and prop on hand not itching to use it just have it already... Any way you think even at my low dose of deca its a bad idea eh?

Originally Posted by smitty1234

GMO ive heard your position before (against deca) but i have read about triathletes geting caught for usage of deca.... and since im swiming running and biking... with a lot of calisthenics and some lifting involved i thought my training would parallel theirs...... I've also looked at EQ but after all is said and done i have deca test-e and prop on hand not itching to use it just have it already... Any way you think even at my low dose of deca its a bad idea eh?

Against Deca? I wouldn't say that...I prefer NPP, but that's because Decanoate is such a long ester that it sticks with you for a LONG time and can make recovery difficult. Nandrolone would actually be good for you as an endurance athlete as long as you are not tested. The problem with Deca for me is that b/c the ester is so long, you really have to run it 12 weeks for max benefit. That means you have to run your test e out at least 14 weeks, and now you have a long cycle. Why not NPP with Test E for 12 weeks and a prop kickstart?

Deca is a bad choice for the drug tested athlete because its detectable for over a year after your last usage.

think im going to go with the extended run . just because of having it ready to go.
Pct would be Nolva 40/40/30/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50. and
.25 Armi to keep off bloat every day or every other day and when should i start the Armi? ive heard from the begining and start at the 2-3 week....

What about using prop to kickstart the deca cycle?
what dosage you recommend.
And GMO my pct looking right?

please tweak if i need to i like my balls and my girfriends boobs, not interested in having my own boobs to play with...

running out the door sorry i prolly sound like a tard.....

not worried about geting tested

Originally Posted by smitty1234

think im going to go with the extended run . just because of having it ready to go.
Pct would be Nolva 40/40/30/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50. and
.25 Armi to keep off bloat every day or every other day and when should i start the Armi? ive heard from the begining and start at the 2-3 week....

What about using prop to kickstart the deca cycle?
what dosage you recommend.
And GMO my pct looking right?

please tweak if i need to i like my balls and my girfriends boobs, not interested in having my own boobs to play with...

running out the door sorry i prolly sound like a tard.....

No Nolva, just Clomid at 100/100/75/50.

If you are going to run deca, be sure to run hcg at 250-500iu x2/wk to aid in recovery and keep your boys happy.

Run your prop at 100mg eod for a kicker...

Is my AI good? dont want to much bloat is .25 of armidex ed overkill or good? having a hard time finding HCG im on the hunt though. Thanks for the knowlege GMO.

Ill do
Test e 250 @ 175 2 x a week (weeks 1-12)
Deca 200 @ 100 2 x a week (week 1-10)
test prop 100 EOD for how long i got one bottle 100mg/ml 10ml? enough or snag another?

PCT
Clomid 100/100/75/50
250-500iu x2/wk for 4 weeks

The Ai dose is fine bro.
Best of lick with your cycle.

Originally Posted by smitty1234

Is my AI good? dont want to much bloat is .25 of armidex ed overkill or good? having a hard time finding HCG im on the hunt though. Thanks for the knowlege GMO.

Ill do
Test e 250 @ 175 2 x a week (weeks 1-12)
Deca 200 @ 100 2 x a week (week 1-10)
test prop 100 EOD for how long i got one bottle 100mg/ml 10ml? enough or snag another?

PCT
Clomid 100/100/75/50
250-500iu x2/wk for 4 weeks

No...sorry I should have been clearer:

HCG is for on cycle, not during PCT.

You are also going to want to run aromasin with your clomid during PCT at 25/25/12.5/12.5.

AGAIN DO NOT run hcg during PCT, it is counterproductive to Clomid therapy.

Thanks GMO i had to research HCG on my own, and found out the same. was going to post that exact question you answerd before i got a chance. thanks

Cycle just came to an end and starting pct. Ended up going from 190 to 220, PCT starts monday over all ive been really hungry on this cycle ended up bulking clean though stregnth went up on all lifts, might sound weird but some muscle groups responded faster than others or may be thats just in my head... over all the bloat is no joke... i dont hate deca just wont be a future first choice... i got slower on my run faster on my bike and swim... over all it was fun... just want to loose some of the fat i gained.... like i said it made me hungry as hell so after pct im not gona cut just get more strict with my diet Thank god the holidays are over no more guilt trips in having to eat relatives food....

smitty

sounds like pretty great results, how much did your bf% go up and how many cals above maintenance did you go?

Originally Posted by smitty1234

Cycle just came to an end and starting pct. Ended up going from 190 to 220, PCT starts monday over all ive been really hungry on this cycle ended up bulking clean though stregnth went up on all lifts, might sound weird but some muscle groups responded faster than others or may be thats just in my head... over all the bloat is no joke... i dont hate deca just wont be a future first choice... i got slower on my run faster on my bike and swim... over all it was fun... just want to loose some of the fat i gained.... like i said it made me hungry as hell so after pct im not gona cut just get more strict with my diet Thank god the holidays are over no more guilt trips in having to eat relatives food....

smitty

You're going to lose some water weight in the next couple of weeks. This might help with your running!

p.s. Thanks for following up with us. I rarely see that after 3 months of silence!!!