Thread: Cycle #2

What are your goals bro? Bulk, lean mass gains, cutting? You know I've got a cycle for you.

Good to see you back! My second will be test, deca, dbol at beginning . . .

you're going in pretty lean so I'm assuming you want to bulk, and a little water isn't going to make you look terrible

what about test prop, npp, dbol?

Originally Posted by GMO

What are your goals bro? Bulk, lean mass gains, cutting? You know I've got a cycle for you.

Fuck me running, i forgot to put that my bad guys....I would prefer lean mass gains. And I KNOW that you've got one for me bro lol

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Good to see you back! My second will be test, deca, dbol at beginning . . .

Whats up brotha! Hows the shoulder??

That sounds nice by the way.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

you're going in pretty lean so I'm assuming you want to bulk, and a little water isn't going to make you look terrible

what about test prop, npp, dbol?

Thanks for the reply man...Yeah i am looking to put on some mass but keep it LEAN as I possibly can. I looked super bloated and shit on my first cycle but as I already stated that was mainly because I thought i was leaner than I was. In reality I was a fat fucktard.

Wk 1-7 Test E 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12 NPP 300-400mg/wk
Wk 8-12 Test E 750mg/wk
Wk 10-13 SuperDMZ 2caps ED
Wk 1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
WK 1-12 HCG 250-500iu x2/wk
Wk 1-12 Cabergoline 0.5mg x2/wk

PCT:

Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

That is a mass builder for sure. Whether it is lean mass or ridiculous mass will be determined by your diet.

You could also run the DMZ weeks 1-4, if you choose.

(I had D-bol in there for six weeks, but took it out when I saw your post above)

GMO, fuck man that looks really good. I had sort of outlined one for myself and it included everything you have there minus the NPP and had D-bol rather than DMZ but hell, i like yours much better...I am really hoping to get everything purchased within the next couple of months and hopefully get started sometime at the beginning of next year.

I see what you said about the diet determining the outcome. I think this time around I am going to run more of a 40/40/20 macro split then 30/50/20 (p/c/f).

I also think I will more than likely add the DMZ at the beginning as well.

Originally Posted by ManInBlack

I see what you said about the diet determining the outcome. I think this time around I am going to run more of a 40/40/20 macro split then 30/50/20 (p/c/f).

I also think I will more than likely add the DMZ at the beginning as well.

I ran a 40/40/20 split on my last cycle with great results.

SuperDMZ is the shit bro. I highly recommend it for lean mass gains and recomp'ing.

Originally Posted by ManInBlack

Whats up brotha! Hows the shoulder??

That sounds nice by the way.

Hurts like hell, but the doctor said the MRI looks fine. Oddly, I threw 185 and then 195 on the bench, and it did not hurt at all for 20 reps, but the next few days after the shoulder locked up and hurt . . .

The most painful thing is wide grip pullups. I have to stick to chin ups narrow and pulley rows.

Doc said he thought it was a pec tendon tear, but could not be sure because the MRI did not cover that. He said a few months of rest, which he clarified to include light weightlifting, should set it aright.

Originally Posted by ManInBlack

I see what you said about the diet determining the outcome. I think this time around I am going to run more of a 40/40/20 macro split then 30/50/20 (p/c/f).

I also think I will more than likely add the DMZ at the beginning as well.

Add it at the end!

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Add it at the end!

He's doing both...kicker and finisher.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Hurts like hell, but the doctor said the MRI looks fine. Oddly, I threw 185 and then 195 on the bench, and it did not hurt at all for 20 reps, but the next few days after the shoulder locked up and hurt . . .

The most painful thing is wide grip pullups. I have to stick to chin ups narrow and pulley rows.

Doc said he thought it was a pec tendon tear, but could not be sure because the MRI did not cover that. He said a few months of rest, which he clarified to include light weightlifting, should set it aright.

Damn, so are you ACTUALLY going to lay off the weights for a few months?

Originally Posted by GMO

I ran a 40/40/20 split on my last cycle with great results.

SuperDMZ is the shit bro. I highly recommend it for lean mass gains and recomp'ing.

Yeah I am really excited about it man that's for sure.

GMO, just curious..How many carbs were you getting in every day during your last cycle?

Man I will tell you that one of my favorite parts of my second cycle that I'm on was kickstarting with prop. It kicks in fast, and you can run an oral around week 4. Prop and tren might be tasty if you think you want to get on that level.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Man I will tell you that one of my favorite parts of my second cycle that I'm on was kickstarting with prop. It kicks in fast, and you can run an oral around week 4. Prop and tren might be tasty if you think you want to get on that level.

That DOES sound tasty, just not quite ready to board the ole tren train mr conductor. However, save me a seat because I plan on allaboarding on that biatch one day.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Hurts like hell, but the doctor said the MRI looks fine. Oddly, I threw 185 and then 195 on the bench, and it did not hurt at all for 20 reps, but the next few days after the shoulder locked up and hurt . . .

The most painful thing is wide grip pullups. I have to stick to chin ups narrow and pulley rows.

Doc said he thought it was a pec tendon tear, but could not be sure because the MRI did not cover that. He said a few months of rest, which he clarified to include light weightlifting, should set it aright.

Sounds pretty similar to mine, except I have it in both shoulders somehow. Mine developed years ago when I had been lifting consistently for around 3-4 years. It took a while to develop, and after getting distracted from the gym for over a year it felt mostly fine. Still a little "loose" and it would pop and make odd noises in certain positions but it didn't really hurt. I started lifting again close to year ago now and it returned within the first six months. It was minor at first and I don't have insurance to find out what it was so I just kept training. Apparently that was an even worse idea than it sounded like because now both my shoulders are fucked, I've had to call out of work and go to the emergency room, now I'm waiting for an appointment with an orthopaedic doctor for MRI's. I hope to god they find something and can do something about it, I'm pretty sure at this point I tore up my labrum a bit. In that case surgery's pretty much the only option. Labrum surgery can be 6-8 months recovery before you can lift again

I pretty much feel like I wasted the past year and I'm gonna have to start over again

Originally Posted by ManInBlack

That DOES sound tasty, just not quite ready to board the ole tren train mr conductor. However, save me a seat because I plan on allaboarding on that biatch one day.

Get ready, cause once you have a taste, nothing comes close.

You could throw in gh or a combo of ghrp-6/cjc 1295 might help the shoulder and it helps with bf

Originally Posted by GMO

Wk 1-7 Test E 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12 NPP 300-400mg/wk
Wk 8-12 Test E 750mg/wk

I've got a question for anyone... do you ever have to taper down test? I have seen people recommend cycle progressions like 500mg/wk to 750mg/wk to 1000mg/wk, then taking 2 weeks off before PCT. To me, it seems like your strength would drop pretty hard after just stopping 750/wk or 1000/wk

Anyways, this will be a good thread to watch since I'm planning on running my second cycle in jan. Good luck with your cycle

It's going to come back down to baseline anyway. Would you rather ride the high dose test for as long with all the good that it has or slowly taper off? To me tapering makes no sense. Just prolongs the cycle with less gear. And if we have learned anything..."Moar Gear".

I agree stepping up the dosage is the only way that makes sense as your gains slow down. You're shutdown anyway so tapering isn't going to help your recovery and will give you minimal gains for your time on cycle.

I've heard tapering was used back in the day when they didn't really have a pct. They just tapered down as much as possible to let their production restart a bit before they came completely off. I don't know how effective that would be really but if you were able to taper down using short esters and use less test than you would naturally produce. Your body senses the shortage and makes up the difference. With modern pct knowledge though you're better off just dropping it completely and starting clomid/aromasin.

With the NPP, I have read that injections every 3 days is a good way to go about it. So, can I throw in the NPP (150mg) with Test E (250mg) together in the same barrel twice a week? (Atleast for the first part of my cycle before I bump up the test dosage.....) And GMO suggested 250mg twice a week of HCG. Does this need to be pinned alone without any other compounds?

To make it easy, I do HCG sub-q in ma belly with a slin pin. I use 500iu 2x week cause I still noticed atrophy on 250.

With the NPP shoot for atleast 3x per week. A MWF split would work.