theCaptn vs Tren Ace

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 05:49 AM

Greetings all,

I've been running tren ace for the last few weeks as part of a cutting diet:

Tren ace 50mg ED
test cyp 200mg EOD

No real sides, feeling good with the cyp EOD protocol . . . then saw an interesting post by OldSchoolLifter that goes against 'common knowledge' of 'always having test dose higher than tren'

To quote:

For a recomp, If you can utilize more of the tren in your body rather than the cyp, you will recomp faster, and so far for me, and the others, you will experience little to no sides.

Seems you are not sensitive to tren like most, and Ideally you would be a strong canadite to run this protocol.

Your body only has a limited amount of androgenic receptors, when their being full with Test, the tren that is not used, freely circulates causing more side effects, and the more well known " Tren Dick "

Flip the dose, and utilize the tren, now your rolling. And your test is well above maintenance at 400 to to counter an ill 19 nor affects.

So this is what Ive done. To review the updated cycle:

wk 1-4 test cyp 200mg EOD (700mg EW)
wk 1 -4 tren ace 50mg ED (350mg EW)

wk 5-8 test cyp 200mg x 2 (400mg EW)
wk 5-6 tren ace 75mg ED (525mg EW)
wk 7-8 tren ace 100mg ED (700mg EW)

I have upped Caber to 0.5 x3 wk to counter any potential progesterone issues, but Ive never had any previous issues with gyno.

Currently been pinning tren 75mg ED for a week (slin pin method) - aggression is off the charts, slight decrease in sleep quality. Cardio capacity is restricted.

Diet is strict carb cycling - one refeed a week. Paleo principles apply.

Weight is up 5lbs (227lb) since start of cycle . . . I'll keep this updated regularly.

Big thanks to OldSchoolLifter . . perhaps I'll be cursing him in a few weeks

**GMO** · 09-01-2011, 05:54 AM

Everyone responds to Tren differently of course, but you seem to be handling it well. I think the notion that you HAVE to run your Test higher than Tren comes from the libido issues that arise from its brother, Nandrolone. Personally, I have never experienced, nor personally know anyone who has had libido issues with Tren, especially when running a dopamine antagonist like caber. You will be fine bro...

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 06:39 AM

thanks GMO . . ace is a good ester to experiment with. Whats the worse that can happen?

I'll be sure to post a couple of pics in a couple of days

**GMO** · 09-01-2011, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

thanks GMO . . ace is a good ester to experiment with. Whats the worse that can happen?

I'll be sure to post a couple of pics in a couple of days

Cool^^^

I take it that you are no longer "unjerked and undesirable"?

Oh the wonders of Tren...

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

Cool^^^

I take it that you are no longer "unjerked and undesirable"?

Oh the wonders of Tren...

yeah, hardened and lean - especially when I wake in a pool of sweat in the AM . . .. need to work on that tan

Would you believe I started on a 'cutting diet' and added lbw??

**gymrat09091974** · 09-01-2011, 07:01 AM

I've only done tren once. Didn't do caber with my cycle tho. Never had any problems. This was years ago tho. I wouldn't risk it now days.

**GMO** · 09-01-2011, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Would you believe I started on a 'cutting diet' and added lbw??

On Tren? Hell yeah...that's what it does!

**bigmoe65** · 09-01-2011, 08:02 AM

Looking at your dosage vs. results I would say your gear is bunk.

**SloppyJ** · 09-01-2011, 08:04 AM

^It's a cut cycle bro.

Curious to see how you like the tren higher than the test.

Ohh tren

**GMO** · 09-01-2011, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

^It's a cut cycle bro.

Curious to see how you like the tren higher than the test.

Ohh tren

Exactly, on a cut or recomp it is very common to gain very little weight as you increase LBM, but decrease BF%.

**bigmoe65** · 09-01-2011, 08:10 AM

Fuck the Captn and his bunk gear.

**scwarzenegger** · 09-01-2011, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Greetings all,

I've been running tren ace for the last few weeks as part of a cutting diet:

Tren ace 50mg ED
test cyp 200mg EOD

No real sides, feeling good with the cyp EOD protocol . . . then saw an interesting post by OldSchoolLifter that goes against 'common knowledge' of 'always having test dose higher than tren'

To quote:

So this is what Ive done. To review the updated cycle:

wk 1-4 test cyp 200mg EOD (700mg EW)
wk 1 -4 tren ace 50mg ED (350mg EW)

wk 5-8 test cyp 200mg x 2 (400mg EW)
wk 5-6 tren ace 75mg ED (525mg EW)
wk 7-8 tren ace 100mg ED (700mg EW)

I have upped Caber to 0.5 x3 wk to counter any potential progesterone issues, but Ive never had any previous issues with gyno.

Currently been pinning tren 75mg ED for a week (slin pin method) - aggression is off the charts, slight decrease in sleep quality. Cardio capacity is restricted.

Diet is strict carb cycling - one refeed a week. Paleo principles apply.

Weight is up 5lbs (227lb) since start of cycle . . . I'll keep this updated regularly.

Big thanks to OldSchoolLifter . . perhaps I'll be cursing him in a few weeks

This seems good! Keep us updated Captn!
My next cycle I will run:
Tren a 60mg ED
Test prop 60 mg ED
Anavar 40mg ED
I think that combination will be awesome

**Vibrant** · 09-01-2011, 08:30 AM

How tall are you captn? Because if you are under 6'1 and you're 227 with low bf%, you are reaching beastly territory

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Looking at your dosage vs. results I would say your gear is bunk.

Couple of my buddies flipped the fk out on this tren, on much lower dosages.

DRSEGE always delivers quality gears

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

How tall are you captn? Because if you are under 6'1 and you're 227 with low bf%, you are reaching beastly territory

Just over 6'1", prob about 14-15%? not low enough .... Yet.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 09-01-2011, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Greetings all,

I've been running tren ace for the last few weeks as part of a cutting diet:

Tren ace 50mg ED
test cyp 200mg EOD

No real sides, feeling good with the cyp EOD protocol . . . then saw an interesting post by OldSchoolLifter that goes against 'common knowledge' of 'always having test dose higher than tren'

To quote:

So this is what Ive done. To review the updated cycle:

wk 1-4 test cyp 200mg EOD (700mg EW)
wk 1 -4 tren ace 50mg ED (350mg EW)

wk 5-8 test cyp 200mg x 2 (400mg EW)
wk 5-6 tren ace 75mg ED (525mg EW)
wk 7-8 tren ace 100mg ED (700mg EW)

I have upped Caber to 0.5 x3 wk to counter any potential progesterone issues, but Ive never had any previous issues with gyno.

Currently been pinning tren 75mg ED for a week (slin pin method) - aggression is off the charts, slight decrease in sleep quality. Cardio capacity is restricted.

Diet is strict carb cycling - one refeed a week. Paleo principles apply.

Weight is up 5lbs (227lb) since start of cycle . . . I'll keep this updated regularly.

Big thanks to OldSchoolLifter . . perhaps I'll be cursing him in a few weeks

Nice brother, looking forward to your results, haha I hope you wont be cursing me, but From personal experience, and others, you should be A OK!~!

**Vibrant** · 09-01-2011, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Just over 6'1", prob about 14-15%? not low enough .... Yet.

Good luck bro. I assume that you're using this cycle to cut down to 9-10bf%, while adding LBM?

**renohawj** · 09-01-2011, 11:09 AM

How's your sleep now with the increase tren?

**BigBird** · 09-01-2011, 12:05 PM

What sleep? He's probably going on one whole week without a wink! lol.

**wannashred** · 09-01-2011, 12:20 PM

I've been 700mg of tren a a week n sleeping like baby :-D for some reason I don't respond to tren as others. Eq does a better job for me

**bwrag** · 09-01-2011, 12:26 PM

I like tren higher than test also. I read a few articles that you just want to take the minimal test to have libido and such, and let the tren do the work since its more potent.

**heavyiron** · 09-01-2011, 12:37 PM

I have run Tren at 400mg weekly and test at 150mg weekly and the sides were pretty low for me. I was at the end of a cut so I was trying to hold less water therefore my prop dose was lower than the Tren dose.

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

What sleep? He's probably going on one whole week without a wink! lol.

It's been getting worse. Last night about 5 hrs. Felt my body surging all night. God awful bad mood I'm going to go postal.

**alphabolic** · 09-01-2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

It's been getting worse. Last night about 5 hrs. Felt my body surging all night. God awful bad mood I'm going to go postal.

im currently running 50mg tren ace, 50mg mast, and 50mg test a week and am only on my 3rd day. starting to wake up in the middle of the night which i NEVER do. no night sweats yet. but the pumps are incredible. i've been going to the gym twice ED and never wanna leave.

**theCaptn'** · 09-01-2011, 05:58 PM

I train E3D with cardio in between. Less is moar

Pinned my bi this morning, sweet sweet slin pinnin'

**SloppyJ** · 09-01-2011, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

I train E3D

That explains it

**ZECH** · 09-01-2011, 08:42 PM

You can probably run tren higher than test to a certain point. Wherever your limit is, you will know it. At some point you will reach benefits vs sides......then I think you will say time to lower the tren dose. Keep us updated.

**theCaptn'** · 09-02-2011, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

That explains it

Explains that quality and recovery beat quantity for gains? Yes it does

Goddamit I don't think I'll be dosing higher, this shit is intense!

**BigBird** · 09-02-2011, 06:39 AM

Still wrapping up my Tren Ace and typically wake up several times each night drenched in sweat and also with my arms and shoulders pulsating and veins popping out. I actually have to go look in the mirror to see WTF it looks like. Midnight freakshow in my household, lol. Love it but it definately takes on a mentally exhaustive toll sooner or later - combined with the high energy and feelings of aggravation. It all comes out in the gym. The limit of continuous sleep for me stands around 3hrs - wake up - then back to sleep eventually. And the merry-go-round continues. I have one more shot of Tren Ace and then breaking from a 5-6 week run on Tren. Time to switch Tren with Primo (Bayer Schering amps). Sleep quality expected to improve.

Good luck Captn.

**theCaptn'** · 09-03-2011, 04:57 AM

On the way to getting well jacked at the expense of mild delerium

Got a carb load toms after legs ... Will post some snaps.

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