Thread: First cycle chart. What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by nikjbax1

This is my first cycle been hitting the gym about 2 1/2 years and iam looking to gain some weight and get cut. This is my cycle that I will be starting within the next 2 weeks. Feedback please, any suggestions would be awesome.

My first cycle
Week 1
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 2
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 3
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 4
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 5
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 6
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
75mg Tren A (EOD)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 7
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
50mg Liguid D-bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 8
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
50mg Liquid D-bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 9
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
50mg Liquid D-Bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 10
250mg Test E (Monday)
250mg Test E (Thursday)
50mg Liquid D-Bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 11
250mg Test E (Monday)
50mg Liquid D-Bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 12
250mg Test E (Monday)
50mg Liquid D-Bol (ED)
50mg Winstrol (ED)
2.5mg Fincar (ED)
.25mg Letro (ED)

Week 13
Clomid 100mg (ED)
Fincar 2.5mg (ED)
Letro .25mg (ED)

Week 14
clomid 100mg (ED)
Fincar 2.5mg (ED)
Letro .25 (ED)

Week 15
clomid 50mg (ED)
Fincar 2.5mg (ED)
Letro .25mg (ED)

Week 16
clomid 50mg (ED)
fincar 2.5mg (ED)
Letro .25mg (ED)


I know Tren A for the first time gear user isn't always suggested but Iam giving it a chance. Iam trying Tren A over E just incase if my side effects are bad I can stop usage and it will clear out of my system within 48hrs.

Wouldn't be stacking the 2 orals at the end for 1, for 2 reguardless of how many compounds you add on your first cycle the chances are you will not get any improved effect beyond dbol and test alone as far as mass and strength goes. You'll grow like a weed off just test and dbol. The tren even if you can tolerate the sides, would be a waste of money in my honest opinion for a first timer, you won't have much improvement in effect, so why introduce your body to something so powerful when it simply is not needed at all. Anyway thats my $0.02 take it or leave it.

Thanks man, but Ive already got the Tren A so I'am gunna try and run it. Maybe I could switch the dbol and Tren A around and run dbol the first 6 weeks then Tren A the last 6 weeks? And that would also take care of the problem with running the two orals(winny/dbol) together at the end of the cycle?

Thanks again man!

Originally Posted by nikjbax1

Thanks man, but Ive already got the Tren A so I'am gunna try and run it. Maybe I could switch the dbol and Tren A around and run dbol the first 6 weeks then Tren A the last 6 weeks? And that would also take care of the problem with running the two orals(winny/dbol) together at the end of the cycle?

Thanks again man!

Your cycle is jacked up bro.

NEVER run Tren A for a first cycle...

You are also running 2 17aa orals simulanteously with Propecia, which is also hard on the liver....not a good idea.

What are your stats? Age/height/weight/BF%???

I would drop the tren and replace with NPP or just run strait test only. Also I would drop the Finasteride or you could end up with ED for a long while. That shit is dick death. If you are worried about prostate enlargement use saw palmetto. If you are worried about hair thinning use a topical DHT blocker.

How the hell do people come up with these cycles, especially when its for a first cycle?

Go with a simpler cycle and save the tren for a later cycle brah

I honestly doubt you'll be able to take the sides especially this being your very first cycle

This should be interesting!
Why not just stick to a test only cycle?

haha all sorts of fucked up...

if you really wanted to run all three compounds, which is only what an idiot would do on a first cycle considering how strong tren a is, it'd be:

dbol: 1-4 or 6 weeks @ 40mg
test e: 1-12 500mg bi-weekly
tren a: week 8-12
hcg: 1-14 500iu bi-weekly
aromasin: 25mg daily

caber/prami once you start the tren

pct: clomid+aromasin as shown in first cycle pct

why the hell you're running propecia + winny + dbol is beyond me...

pull out the fincar and dbol if you want to finish with an oral or pull out the fincar and winni if you want to kick. If you are going to run the tren since you already have it get caber since its a nandrolone derived hormone. You can also save tren and winn for your next cycle and throw some prop in the mix and have a great cutter for after you spread out your muscles sheathes with the dbol and test which btw is a great first cycle.

I would run test only with dbol to jump start it. Save the tren for later. You will be very satisfied. Also you WILL run more cycles later on. It's not bad having gear on hand to use later.

Thanks for the advice guys. I knew I was doing to much my furst cycle but I going to see if it worked. And the fincar I'am taking by doctors orders because my hair was starting to shed its better now but I didnt want to risk it again.

I guess I could drop the orals altogether? I didnt know there would be a problem taking fincar tablets with the orals?

I'am going to take letro forsure though.

Why do you wanna take letro so bad? Do you like having no libido or something?

You can take the oral as a kickstart to your test but definitely don't run tren and winny. Unless you're really thin and looking to cut up, winny just isn't that necessary.

Propecia, dbol kickstart and test is a good enough first cycle.

This guy already knows everything there is to know. Not even sure why he made a thread.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

This guy already knows everything there is to know. Not even sure why he made a thread.

He wants to show off his superior knowledge to all you noobs.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

This guy already knows everything there is to know. Not even sure why he made a thread.

No I dont. The reason I'am asking was because I needed advice. If you have some advice Id appreciate it?

Originally Posted by pieguy

Why do you wanna take letro so bad? Do you like having no libido or something?

You can take the oral as a kickstart to your test but definitely don't run tren and winny. Unless you're really thin and looking to cut up, winny just isn't that necessary.

Propecia, dbol kickstart and test is a good enough first cycle.

Fincar is basically generic propecia(proscar), but I will take your advise and ditch the Winstrol. But regarding my weight Im pretty lean 6'1 173 and Im 25 years old. Will the Tren be okay as a kickstart until the Test kicks into my system or should I take the dbol for the first few weeks?

the consencus is first timers go with test alone, you could pyramid the test starting off with 500 a week and at the end, having ramped it up to 1 g a week....

I would consider exemestane, (aromasin), on cycle as an AI inhibitor and hcg to help with shut down, making your pct much easier to handle.

Clomid alone, as I hear can shut down LH from naturally being produced so I would also use something that boosts LH , natural production with it, particularly since you are using full doses of clomid thru the whole pct.

I am working on getting mine set up and running too and it is test all the way... SAVE YOUR TREN for a later cycle.... I know you have it but just save it.... I know you want it all the first time, i am the same way but everyone CANT be wrong, it isnt just concensus, it is unanimous, anyone I talked to about what I want to do, test is enough,.... If you think you have to shred by using winny, I guess maybe you should think about losing some weight now, as I am doing pre cycle, then go for clean mass....

I would NEVER EVER take two methylated products together either, that is a BIG NO from all the experts i have read..... You ALSO want to take a liver protector product if you are taking any methyliated orals.... you dont want the limiting factor in your recovery to be your liver enzyme numbers!

Dont kick start test with dbol or tren! if you want to front load, use a fast acting test like test p with the test e or c you might be using... but again, dont worry about this front loading thing. Get used to your body accepting this new product, test into your system, so waht, it takes 2 weeks to get to levels you want. so run your cycle 14 weeks instead of 12 or 12 instead of 10. Some have suggested test ought to be run 14-18 weeks so you are and would be within range...

Originally Posted by nikjbax1

Fincar is basically generic propecia(proscar), but I will take your advise and ditch the Winstrol. But regarding my weight Im pretty lean 6'1 173 and Im 25 years old. Will the Tren be okay as a kickstart until the Test kicks into my system or should I take the dbol for the first few weeks?

Are you not listening or illiterate? DON'T USE TREN! Do you even know the side effects of tren? Do you know how strong it is? Do you know that it has never been tested for human use? Do you know how bad it fucks up your sleeping schedule or makes you sweat like a hooker in church? Do you know how to counteract the prolactin influx it creates with caber and prami?

If you're 6'1" and only 173, it sounds like you need a sandwich instead of a syringe. Last thing you want is winstrol or tren.

Being the nonconservative AAS user I am, i suggest that if you want to use dbol, use it at the tail end of your cycle around week 6-8 depending on how long you want your cycle to last. That way, you'll know how synthetic testosterone already effects you and know the side effects on your body before you ingest the danabol. That way if more sides come up, you know it's the dbol causing them (most likely caused by the fact that dbol and test cause crazy amounts of e2 that need a ton of aromasin).

Originally Posted by carmineb

the consencus is first timers go with test alone, you could pyramid the test starting off with 500 a week and at the end, having ramped it up to 1 g a week....

I would consider exemestane, (aromasin), on cycle as an AI inhibitor and hcg to help with shut down, making your pct much easier to handle.

Clomid alone, as I hear can shut down LH from naturally being produced so I would also use something that boosts LH , natural production with it, particularly since you are using full doses of clomid thru the whole pct.

I am working on getting mine set up and running too and it is test all the way... SAVE YOUR TREN for a later cycle.... I know you have it but just save it.... I know you want it all the first time, i am the same way but everyone CANT be wrong, it isnt just concensus, it is unanimous, anyone I talked to about what I want to do, test is enough,.... If you think you have to shred by using winny, I guess maybe you should think about losing some weight now, as I am doing pre cycle, then go for clean mass....

I would NEVER EVER take two methylated products together either, that is a BIG NO from all the experts i have read..... You ALSO want to take a liver protector product if you are taking any methyliated orals.... you dont want the limiting factor in your recovery to be your liver enzyme numbers!

Dont kick start test with dbol or tren! if you want to front load, use a fast acting test like test p with the test e or c you might be using... but again, dont worry about this front loading thing. Get used to your body accepting this new product, test into your system, so waht, it takes 2 weeks to get to levels you want. so run your cycle 14 weeks instead of 12 or 12 instead of 10. Some have suggested test ought to be run 14-18 weeks so you are and would be within range...

Thanks alot man, I guess I'll hold off on my Tren. If I was to stack something with Tren what would you suggest? ANd Im not worried about losing weight my weight is perfect right now.

Originally Posted by pieguy

Are you not listening or illiterate? DON'T USE TREN! Do you even know the side effects of tren? Do you know how strong it is? Do you know that it has never been tested for human use? Do you know how bad it fucks up your sleeping schedule or makes you sweat like a hooker in church? Do you know how to counteract the prolactin influx it creates with caber and prami?

If you're 6'1" and only 173, it sounds like you need a sandwich instead of a syringe. Last thing you want is winstrol or tren.

Being the nonconservative AAS user I am, i suggest that if you want to use dbol, use it at the tail end of your cycle around week 6-8 depending on how long you want your cycle to last. That way, you'll know how synthetic testosterone already effects you and know the side effects on your body before you ingest the danabol. That way if more sides come up, you know it's the dbol causing them (most likely caused by the fact that dbol and test cause crazy amounts of e2 that need a ton of aromasin).

Im hear you and everybody else on the Tren so i guess I'am going to hold off for a different cycle. My friend used Tren and Test as his first cycle and got amazing results thats why I was so set on using it. If it was your first cycle what you do?

Originally Posted by nikjbax1

Fincar is basically generic propecia(proscar), but I will take your advise and ditch the Winstrol. But regarding my weight Im pretty lean 6'1 173 and Im 25 years old. Will the Tren be okay as a kickstart until the Test kicks into my system or should I take the dbol for the first few weeks?

There is allot of advice being given to you. YOUR JUST NOT LISTENING!!! This is your first cycle and you have no idea how any one compound is going to affect you. But you want to take 4 different compounds your first time out, one of which is considered advanced (Tren), and put together a clusterfuck of a cycle.

I have had Tren on hand for 18 months now and didnt touch it until I ran each of the other compounds I plan to run with it for my next cycle. Dont buy that excuse one bit.

Originally Posted by aja44

There is allot of advice being given to you. YOUR JUST NOT LISTENING!!! This is your first cycle and you have no idea how any one compound is going to affect you. But you want to take 4 different compounds your first time out, one of which is considered advanced (Tren), and put together a clusterfuck of a cycle.

I have had Tren on hand for 18 months now and didnt touch it until I ran each of the other compounds I plan to run with it for my next cycle. Dont buy that excuse one bit.

How about this?

Week
Testosterone (Enanthate)
( Dianabol)
1
500 mgs
20 mgs/day
2
500 mgs
20 mgs/day
3
500 mgs
20 mgs/day
3
500 mgs
20 mgs/day
4
500 mgs
20 mgs/day
5
500 mgs

6
500 mgs

7
500 mgs

8
500 mgs

9
500 mgs

10
500 mgs

11
500 mgs

12
500 mgs

Is this a more suitable first cycle?

If you have never ran a cycle you will get great results with Test alone!

20mg of dbol isn't really enough imo. I'd go at least 35mg although some can respond off 20mg. It's a fine cycle yes.YOu didn't include any information about how you're going to dose your aromasin/clomid.

Originally Posted by vannesb

If you have never ran a cycle you will get great results with Test alone!

Its my first cycle. I'am dropping the Tren A for a future cycle. Iam going to Use my Test E & maybe dbol for the first few weeks along with a anti estro blocker.


Thanks again everyone for the great advise!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by pieguy

20mg of dbol isn't really enough imo. I'd go at least 35mg although some can respond off 20mg. It's a fine cycle yes.YOu didn't include any information about how you're going to dose your aromasin/clomid.

35mg works too, but Im unsure yet about the dosage of Clomid and Aromasin what would you suggest?

Weeks 1 - 4 - 30mg Dbol (take 1 hour before your workout)
Weeks 1 - 10 - 250mg Test twice per week
Weeks 1 - 12 - 250ius HCG twice per week
Weeks 2 - 16 - .5mg Adex EOD or 12.5mg Aromasin E3D
Weeks 12 - 16 - Clomid 100/75/50/50

Enjoy the gains

Some people need more than 12.5mg e3d or every other day of .5 adex when running dbol and test. If you notice lethargy set in along with gyno symptoms, up the adex/aromasin dosage.

Exphysiologist was talking about how his e2 shot up like crazy off of I think 40mg dbol and test.