Thread: Test/clen need advice

Originally Posted by twinkies111

I am currently on my 7th week of a test only cycle(going for 12 weeks) taking 500mg per week. I was wondering if I take clen during the cycle is it bennificial or not? I was going to do the 2 week on 2 week off of clen. I have put on the muscle but accumulated some fat and would like to cut a little before my vacation in 3 weeks. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks

Clen is fine on cycle. If you haven't used it before, be sure to start at a low dosage and work your way up. Some people react very badly to clen.

What if one was to use clen after they finished their PCT cycle? For example after my PCT which will still be assuming a surplus (bulk) of calories to keep most of my gains. Then was going to do a 8 or 12 week cutting cycle right after PCT with the added clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Would this be ok?

Originally Posted by eXistence

What if one was to use clen after they finished their PCT cycle? For example after my PCT which will still be assuming a surplus (bulk) of calories to keep most of my gains. Then was going to do a 8 or 12 week cutting cycle right after PCT with the added clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Would this be ok?

You don't want to cut for several weeks after you conclude your PCT, or you may lose your gains. Your body needs to get used to carrying around the extra weight, and this takes a few months at least. If you cut too soon, your body will want to revert back to it's old norm. If I were you, I would wait until your next cycle and cut with that.

Originally Posted by GMO

You don't want to cut for several weeks after you conclude your PCT, or you may lose your gains. Your body needs to get used to carrying around the extra weight, and this takes a few months at least. If you cut too soon, your body will want to revert back to it's old norm. If I were you, I would wait until your next cycle and cut with that.

Alright advice taken. Would you continue to bulk or just maintain food wise after the PCT? I was more than likely going to get back on a few months after PCT and shorten the cycle to 8 weeks instead of 14 like this one.

Originally Posted by eXistence

Alright advice taken. Would you continue to bulk or just maintain food wise after the PCT? I was more than likely going to get back on a few months after PCT and shorten the cycle to 8 weeks instead of 14 like this one.

Eat maintenance calories and limit cardio to three 20 minute seesions a week. That is what works best for me. You can look into peptides as well for extra benefit in between cycles.

Originally Posted by GMO

Eat maintenance calories and limit cardio to three 20 minute seesions a week. That is what works best for me. You can look into peptides as well for extra benefit in between cycles.

Sounds good man. Only peptide I'll prob be taking will be MT2. Again thanks for the advice. Also for your cardio sessions what do you keep your heart rate between?

To the OP... I personally don't like Clen. To me, the results just aren't worth the sides. I prefer T3. The sides are much more comfortable and the results are WAY better... IMO

Originally Posted by eXistence

Sounds good man. Only peptide I'll prob be taking will be MT2. Again thanks for the advice. Also for your cardio sessions what do you keep your heart rate between?

I try to stay in the 140-155 range...

I also do it PostWO when all my glycogen has been used up, so I am primarily burning straight fat.

Originally Posted by GMO

I try to stay in the 140-155 range...

I also do it PostWO when all my glycogen has been used up, so I am primarily burning straight fat.

Cardio was always post w/o for me.

To be honest, I love clen. And I loved using it during my last pct. I kept breaking on cycle pr's through pct with clen. I guess it works for me more like an energy stimulant than a weight loss drug. But what works for me, may not work for you and you gotta find what works for you.

Originally Posted by GMO

Clen is fine on cycle. If you haven't used it before, be sure to start at a low dosage and work your way up. Some people react very badly to clen.

Thanks- could you use clen during PCT as well. I am taking extem ai 12.5 eod now until my cycle ends.
I will be using extem AI and clomid for my "research" (from EPeptide) for PCT.

Originally Posted by twinkies111

Thanks- could you use clen during PCT as well. I am taking extem ai 12.5 eod now until my cycle ends.
I will be using extem AI and clomid for my "research" (from EPeptide) for PCT.

I prefer not to use clen on PCT, b/c it always makes me lose weight. I realize that it is BF, but during PCT I do not like to see that scale move much. I recommend peptides like GHRP-6 and CJC-1295 during PCT, but not clen or other fat burners.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

To be honest, I love clen. And I loved using it during my last pct. I kept breaking on cycle pr's through pct with clen. I guess it works for me more like an energy stimulant than a weight loss drug. But what works for me, may not work for you and you gotta find what works for you.

Originally Posted by twinkies111

Thanks- could you use clen during PCT as well. I am taking extem ai 12.5 eod now until my cycle ends.
I will be using extem AI and clomid for my "research" (from EPeptide) for PCT.

Would also like to know this as I may want to take it during PCT as well. I'll be taking clomid/nolvadex. Taking HCG and Adex on cycle now. Again would one need to stay at a bulk during the PCT cycle or cut down to maintain? This applies for both using clen and not using clen on cycle. One last thing since we are on topic. What would be the dosing for clen?

Originally Posted by eXistence

Would also like to know this as I may want to take it during PCT as well. I'll be taking clomid/nolvadex. Taking HCG and Adex on cycle now. Again would one need to stay at a bulk during the PCT cycle or cut down to maintain? This applies for both using clen and not using clen on cycle. One last thing since we are on topic. What would be the dosing for clen?

Again, you DO NOT want to cut during PCT or after PCT. If you do, say goodbye to your gains. Your PCT should be Clomid/Aromasin, not Clomid Nolvadex. Nolvadex has been shown to reduce IGF-1 levels, and that is the last thing you want to do during PCT.

I actually try to eat more during pct and I stop eating as clean as I do on cycle. And clen really helps keeping my energy levels really at a time when during pct they usually drop. I should add that the benadryl trick didn't work at all for me, so I do two weeks on 2-3 off.

Originally Posted by GMO

Again, you DO NOT want to cut during PCT or after PCT. If you do, say goodbye to your gains. Your PCT should be Clomid/Aromasin, not Clomid Nolvadex. Nolvadex has been shown to reduce IGF-1 levels, and that is the last thing you want to do during PCT.

Alright no cutting ever on PCT. Well crap. I already have the clomid and nolvadex. Had quite a few people confirm it would be ok to use. I don't start my PCT till the 26th of this month. Have the studies been shown highly or what? Would like to know ahead of time in case I have to order Aromasin. I know everyone reacts different, but why would quite a few people on another board give me the OK for the clomid/nolva?

Well, you still want to run an AI, even if you do use Clomid/Nolva. Those are both SERMS, not AI's. You will still want to run Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 to combat circulating estrogen and prevent estro-rebound.

Originally Posted by GMO

Well, you still want to run an AI, even if you do use Clomid/Nolva. Those are both SERMS, not AI's. You will still want to run Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 to combat circulating estrogen and prevent estro-rebound.

ok if you were in my position with the clomid and nolva how would you run your PCT? I can get the aromasin 12.5mg 40 count in a few days. If you don't remember I am running.....


Test Cyp - 500mg weeks 1-12 then upped to 600mg weeks 13-14
Winny 50mg ED weeks 10-14 then upped to 100mg last couple of days.
HCG 250iu weeks 4-14 and upped to 500iu's 2x a week.
Then Adex at .5mg EOD weeks 1-14. Now im up to 1mg EOD since week 13 due to losing my original Adex in a water mishaps lol.

Not sure why this all went to bold. So ignore that. Bold isnt even checked either.

GMO's got this shit taken care of.

Originally Posted by eXistence

ok if you were in my position with the clomid and nolva how would you run your PCT? I can get the aromasin 12.5mg 40 count in a few days. If you don't remember I am running.....


Test Cyp - 500mg weeks 1-12 then upped to 600mg weeks 13-14
Winny 50mg ED weeks 10-14 then upped to 100mg last couple of days.
HCG 250iu weeks 4-14 and upped to 500iu's 2x a week.
Then Adex at .5mg EOD weeks 1-14. Now im up to 1mg EOD since week 13 due to losing my original Adex in a water mishaps lol.

Not sure why this all went to bold. So ignore that. Bold isnt even checked either.

Standard PCT with:

Clomid: 100/75/75/50
Aromasin: 25/25/12.5/12.5

That's a pretty standard PCT and should be started 2 weeks after your last test shot.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Standard PCT with:

Clomid: 100/75/75/50
Aromasin: 25/25/12.5/12.5

That's a pretty standard PCT and should be started 2 weeks after your last test shot.

^^^This

Is the clomid/nolva in the same bottle or some shit? If not, just run the Clomid and save the nolva for on cycle gyno prevention. If they are in the same bottle...what are they dosed at?

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Standard PCT with:

Clomid: 100/75/75/50
Aromasin: 25/25/12.5/12.5

That's a pretty standard PCT and should be started 2 weeks after your last test shot.

Now thats 100mg week 1/75mg week 2 and 3/50mg week 4 correct?

Originally Posted by GMO

^^^This

Is the clomid/nolva in the same bottle or some shit? If not, just run the Clomid and save the nolva for on cycle gyno prevention. If they are in the same bottle...what are they dosed at?

They are separate. Clomid is 30 tablets (50mg/tab) x 2 and Nolva is 30 tablets (20 mg/tab) x 3.