Thread: Dorian Yates- Steroids Setting the Record Straight article about steroid use

Originally Posted by pieguy

Not really. Only a very very small portion of the population has the propensity to put on significant muscle while having a good brachiallis insertion point to give you a good looking arm with a high peak like dorians. Do you even know Dorian's measurements/weight? He was a true mass monster, and in my opinion, kind of ruined the sport

lol...you know the whole pop. of the world? the op said "rare"its far from rare to have large arms.from football players to farmers mostly have large arms.most loggers have big arms ,and if they wanted to they could transform them anyway they want.its kinda hard to work with 10-12 inch arms.its easier to work with big arms then small ones.its far from rare to have big arms.

Arnold's day was the best size! Imo bodybuilding should be about looking the best and with you belly hanging out ( ronni ) is just plain nasty! I mean arnold had bigger arms then ronni and still small waist!

Yates was'nt as bad as ronni but still, they are all great grwat bodybuilders and they can't be beatin but it just my op

Originally Posted by Disturbed

lol...you know the whole pop. of the world? the op said "rare"its far from rare to have large arms.from football players to farmers mostly have large arms.most loggers have big arms ,and if they wanted to they could transform them anyway they want.its kinda hard to work with 10-12 inch arms.its easier to work with big arms then small ones.its far from rare to have big arms.

I'm not talking big arms, maybe that's where we're miscommunicating. I'm talking about Dorian like arms. Shredded and vascular with a tricep that looks like an intersection of two freeways. At least 19-20" completely unflexed which is the proper way to measure them.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

(snip) Well this was just a summary of the article written by Dorian. If you guys want to read more pick up the latest MD magazine OCT. 2011. What does everyone think of these doses? I think it is possible with the proper dedication and great genetics.

Just picked that issue up at the grocery store today!

Yh yates looks fucking huge there man!!

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

I hope you're joking. A guy I went to high school with is well on his way to being a great body builder because of his genetics. He was a beast naturally and just ran his first cycle which was prop ONLY and he looks like like a pro at just 23. Genetics play a huge role.

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look at any 5 of my posts and then you tell me if I was serious or not.

Originally Posted by Disturbed

lol...you know the whole pop. of the world? the op said "rare"its far from rare to have large arms.from football players to farmers mostly have large arms.most loggers have big arms ,and if they wanted to they could transform them anyway they want.its kinda hard to work with 10-12 inch arms.its easier to work with big arms then small ones.its far from rare to have big arms.

A 20 inch arm is not common. In fact, Leroy Colbert was the first in modern times to attain it naturally.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

A 20 inch arm is not common. In fact, Leroy Colbert was the first in the history of mankind to attain it naturally.

We cant be sure that Colbert was natural. There is no way of knowing that 100%

Originally Posted by Livebig14

We cant be sure that Colbert was natural. There is no way of knowing that 100%

I know.

Can i ask you guys this.... Is that your goal? Would you like to be that big?

Originally Posted by Pika

Can i ask you guys this.... Is that your goal? Would you like to be that big?

Yes I personally would. Not realistic for the average joe but im going to get as big as I can

Wow fair play bro

nice read, and he's definitely downplaying the doses to make pro BBer's look good, but if anyone really believes that they're just not thinking long enough or hard enough about it. The level that these guys are at is not a result of small amounts of juice, rocket science training and nutrition, and hercules genetics. It's from enormous amounts of juice, intelligent training and nutrition, and damn good genetics. Or out of this world amounts of juice, intelligent training and nutrition, and above average genetics.

If the best of the best are taking small amounts of juice, then why wouldn't they just take more juice? It's very competitive!!!!!!!!!! They're all competing against each other hardcore trying to find out who's on what new shit and what new information is coming out to give them the edge. why would they yield moderation in one of the things they have control over? If all the other guys are taking 1g a week total juice, why not just take 2 or 3 or 4g and work just as hard? You'll wreck them. Did I just invent that myself? Of course not.

sorry for the rant bros...roid ragin over here HAHA

If it was all about how much juice you take then anyone could be a professional bodybuilder and that is definetly not the case. It takes a special type of person to be a pro bodybuilder. It is not just AAS. Not everyone responds the same way to steroids. Some guys take huge amounts and gain very little they are refered to as non responders. THen you have guys who take very little and blow the F$%# up!! Who is to say Dorian is not one of those guys. No one knows for sure how much he took but Dorian but one thing that bothers me is why talk about it at all if you don't want to put out something close to the truth. I mean it isn't that far fetched. He was using 8 ius of GH a day and a moderate amount of Steroids year round for who knows how many years. I am sure he ran some bigger cycles and different compounds but this could of been the normal cycle back in his reign. It is not all AAS is what I am trying to get across and I believe Dorian was trying to get across as well.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

If it was all about how much juice you take then anyone could be a professional bodybuilder and that is definetly not the case. It takes a special type of person to be a pro bodybuilder. It is not just AAS. Not everyone responds the same way to steroids. Some guys take huge amounts and gain very little they are refered to as non responders. THen you have guys who take very little and blow the F$%# up!! Who is to say Dorian is not one of those guys. No one knows for sure how much he took but Dorian but one thing that bothers me is why talk about it at all if you don't want to put out something close to the truth. I mean it isn't that far fetched. He was using 8 ius of GH a day and a moderate amount of Steroids year round for who knows how many years. I am sure he ran some bigger cycles and different compounds but this could of been the normal cycle back in his reign. It is not all AAS is what I am trying to get across and I believe Dorian was trying to get across as well.

I agree.

Just like Arnold he is known to of taken primo and dbol and alot of people say its bullshit, but hey who knows?

I agree with responders and non responders, I know a guy who takes 400mg of testosterone and 3 weeks of SD in those 3 weeks he will gain 17lbs and the whole cycle he will get upto 25lbs and keeps pretty much all of it.
Then you see guys who use 3 diff compunds and gain 20lbs and only end up with 10lbs after it.

good post
Dorian was def. the man back in the day.
But come on....the cycle he talked about is probaly what he would do before breakfast.
Genetics is important though along with gear.You look at these guys with their pro cards and they are off the hook. But then on the next level you have your Dorians,Arnolds ect. that are in that elite group.
I am going to pick the mag up though because I am interested in the article.
Thanks for the info
fitter420

There's a lot more to BB than just the amount of juice. I know guys who've taken massive doses of many compounds and lived in the gym and just looked like shit. Big, yes. Symmetrical and vascular? Not so much. I want to be the best I can be; that is, the biggest and hardest yet staying symmetrical at the time.
I'm not in competition with anyone other than myself.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

If it was all about how much juice you take then anyone could be a professional bodybuilder and that is definetly not the case. It takes a special type of person to be a pro bodybuilder. It is not just AAS. Not everyone responds the same way to steroids. Some guys take huge amounts and gain very little they are refered to as non responders. THen you have guys who take very little and blow the F$%# up!! Who is to say Dorian is not one of those guys. No one knows for sure how much he took but Dorian but one thing that bothers me is why talk about it at all if you don't want to put out something close to the truth. I mean it isn't that far fetched. He was using 8 ius of GH a day and a moderate amount of Steroids year round for who knows how many years. I am sure he ran some bigger cycles and different compounds but this could of been the normal cycle back in his reign. It is not all AAS is what I am trying to get across and I believe Dorian was trying to get across as well.

-While this is very true, one could also say that back in the day when most of these guys were younger, the AAS that was available wasn't derived 100% from chinese grade powder, making it superior.. I"ve heard people saying that the pharm stuff that was circulating in the 80's-90's has no comparison to the chinese powders of today..?
-Like i said...This is just a thought, but I would also say that the consitent quality of ingredient we put into our bodies matters as well..

Imagine if SuperTed was a hyper-responder.... (I am just sayin)

going back into my cubicle to wait for the negs.

peace out

--oh and good thread going here.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Well I am not sure if any of you guys were able to read the new Muscular Development magazine for Oct. 2011 yet but there was a great article in there that I wanted to post a thread about. Dorian Yates writes a section in the magazine called Blood & Guts and this month the article was called Steroids- Setting the Record Straight . In this article Dorian talks openly about what he thinks of steroids and really just made me an even bigger fan of him. The guy is Smart and knows more than most would think. The article was very long so I will just put in some of the highlights for you guys. I guess he wrote this because he was tired of guys making up supposed cycles of what he used in his career and wanted to set it straight.
First Steroid Cycle
Dorian said that his first cycle was used as a tool to maintain muscle mass while dieting. This is what he used

wks 1-4 Daily 20mg of Dianabol
wks 5-8 Daily 15lmgs of Anavar and
Weekly 100mgs of Primobolan
He started at 8 wks out weighing 205. He competed at 210-212lbs. Since he lost BF% it is safe to say that he added a decent amount of Muscle mass.

Dorian also touched on these subjects
Steroids do not create Champions
What are Steroids
Who uses Steroids
How Dangerous are Steroids, and Can they be used Safely ( here he made the comment that nobody has ever died from swallowing a whole bottle of Dianabol but I guarantee you that if you swallow an entire bottle of Aspirin, you wont live to see tomorrow.)

The Mr. Olympia Cycle
Weekly
Test prop 300mgs
Parabolan 152mgs
Primobolan 500mgs
Daily
Anavar 50mgs
Growth Hormone 8iu


Off Season Stack (was usually 3 8wk cycles)
Weekly
Testosterone 750mgs
Deca-Durabolin 500mgs
Daily
Dianabol 50mgs

From the age of 21-35 Dorian didn't have more than 10 glasses of wine or alcohol. Only was up after 11:30 a few times and never was more than 5-10 minutes late for a meal. There is much more to being a champion than how much steroids or other drugs you use. Some will never get there no matter how many AAS they use.

Well this was just a summary of the article written by Dorian. If you guys want to read more pick up the latest MD magazine OCT. 2011. What does everyone think of these doses? I think it is possible with the proper dedication and great genetics.

great read, if he is one of the gifted (genetics) ones than maybe, but those are pretty simple stacks. The guy is huge! Now saying all that all the AAS in the world will not get you big if you are not truly deciplined, diet, workouts, etc.. I have friends who think it is a magic Pill! Thats BS for sure these guys eat, sleep, and breath BB! 24/7

^^^ this!

My friend at the gym has been taking steriods for 2 years his been traing for 2 years and 6 months he took them so early his now big at all!! I mean his bigger then me but iv only hit the gym for like 15 months , his now on tren and god dam it just looks wrong! His watter weight is soo bad you can just tell it pure water!! Id rather my size then his .

Gens is where its at i mean i honestly dnt think i have the genz to the bodybuilding i will never be there but il get big wnough for my own needs tho ..... Its about hard work and dieting to the needs!!! Its realy hard

I tend to believe the dosing is real. I was told once by someone who would know; that the top placing BB'ers are typically using less gear then the people you see at the national level. Genetics and dedication play a bigger role. And in reality its not like the above cycle is light. There is a point where more isn't much better. If I take 5g of test a week its not like I'm going to get 5x the results as taking 1g a week. If anything the side effects will shadow the gains.