Thread: Need advice from the pro's...

Go to extremepeptide.com right this second and order some clomid. I'd imagine you also aren't using an AI [aromatase inhibitor] which is very important with test and especially dbol. Running the dbol 2 weeks longer than the test is ok, if you're using a long ester it will take that long for the test to clear before you can start pct.

Grab a vial of arimidex and one of clomid. Run the arimidex at .25mg per day until you start pct. Run the clomid at 100mg per day the first week and then 50mg per day for the next three weeks. Don't start this pct until 2 weeks after your last injection and about 24 hours after your last dose of dbol.

Scratch that, what ester of testosterone are you using? IE. propionate, cypionate, enanthate? How often are you injecting? This makes a difference as far as what gains you can expect in that time frame and especially when you should start your pct.

Also if you would like to extend it there are good sponsors here who carry test

I would also suggest that you order more test as well as the clomid and aromasin as Digi mentioned.

Look if your goal is to gain size and strength then do yourself a favor and build a nice cycle. 10 weeks test with a dbol kick start.

Add in the GH at 4 iu a day 5/2 and run it as long as you can afford to and you will be happy with the results.

The issue of concern however is bf%. If you can hold off a month or two and get down a few more percentage points results will be even better and sides likely will be lessened.

I would love to extend the test I just don't know who to trust.

...Waiting on a text back on which kind of Test it is. It's 200mg a shot twice a week.

The sponsors here are worth looking into. My personal choice is RnM but there is a nice selection.

If it's 200mg for every ml/cc then it's most likely test cypionate. Thus you should still start your pct two weeks after the last injection. Clomid and aromasin would be the preferred pct but at the very least you need clomid. On cycle AI is also very important, you might be able to get away without it with 400mg test but not with the addition of 40mg dbol. Your bodyfat percentage doesn't help that situation. Arimidex is a bit cheaper but you can also use aromasin for both on cycle and pct. It's not reccomended to use arimidex during pct however because it can cause estrogen to rebound when you stop taking it.

As far as who to trust, there are a number of good sponsors here, just look through their forums in the sponsors section. Look around at people's signatures and see what names come up alot, that should point you in the right direction.

Man you guys rock, Thanks alot guys, that really helps!

...I checked out that site that is here in the us, thats cool, it does not sell "gear" but I see I can "legally" buy pct for "laboratory use" ...I should get my pct in like 4 days if i go threw them. ...there out of clomid but should have some by the 20th so I should be ok there... looks like more shots though? ehh. why could'nt it be a pill hahah. I know they make clomid in a pill cuz I took it after my last cycle. Not sure about the Arimidex though. I think what I took to prevent b*tch tits last time was called novadex, but again not sure where to get that and if i can get it in pill form. I'm gonna start checking out the venders now. thanks again guys keep the info coming, new guys gotta learn some how.

....hold on a second did you guys just call me fat? lol j/k

Yeah I just checked and EP is out of clomid at the moment. They're in liquid form but not injectable, ask the guy who injected his aromasin the other day how that went lol. It comes with a dropper and you just measure out and swallow the dose.

Nolvadex also works for pct, but clomid is better in that regard. Nolva {tamoxifen citrate} is best used to stop gyno but it's more your final line of defense than a preventative measure. It won't stop you from retaining water, which can signifigantly raise your blood pressure, and obviously will make you look kinda shitty. That's what your AI is for. Aromatase inhibitors stop the conversion of testosterone {or other aromatizable compounds, which dbol is very much so} into estrogen. SERM's like nolva/clomid just block the receptor that estrogen binds to, so you will still have very high estrogen.

And it is not recommended to take nolva when incorporating a 19 nor (like deca) in the cycle. In that case, to treat a flare up you can use letro.

I know you are not using deca on this cycle, I mention it only for information and discussion purposes.

so take aromasin while on cycle to prevent the build/conversion of estrogen untill I start clomid which is 2 weeks after my last injection of T. Then take clomid 100mg a day every day for the first week then 50mg a day for 2 more weeks, thats it? ...and I can buy both in the us and its not a shot? no way I'm that lucky!?

...Just got a text from my buddy, it is Test-C.

He also said to be sure to ask if the U.S. supplier had real pct and not something like it but that was made to be legal? If I need to buy it from over seas I can, but would rather not if the pct is legit. Thanks again for all the help!

Originally Posted by KUVinny

And it is not recommended to take nolva when incorporating a 19 nor (like deca) in the cycle. In that case, to treat a flare up you can use letro.

I know you are not using deca on this cycle, I mention it only for information and discussion purposes.

Hey thanks the more I can retain the better! keep the knowledge coming

Originally Posted by autodad

so take aromasin while on cycle to prevent the build/conversion of estrogen untill I start clomid which is 2 weeks after my last injection of T. Then take clomid 100mg a day every day for the first week then 50mg a day for 2 more weeks, thats it? ...and I can buy both in the us and its not a shot? no way I'm that lucky!?

...Just got a text from my buddy, it is Test-C.

He also said to be sure to ask if the U.S. supplier had real pct and not something like it but that was made to be legal? If I need to buy it from over seas I can, but would rather not if the pct is legit. Thanks again for all the help!

Most people would reccomend 4 weeks of pct, ie. an extra week at 50mg clomid. You should have enough with one bottle so might as well. If you get aromasin, also known as exemestane you can run it right through pct. Arimidex is a bit cheaper but should not be used during pct, drop that when you start the clomid. An AI will help your recovery a bit during pct and will also bring estro down. Aromasin also increases igf-1 which can help you retain gains, and on cycle may even make you gain more. Aromasin is a "suicidal" AI and that's why it doesn't cause an estrogen rebound, it permanently deactivates every aromatase it binds to so your body can't make more estrogen until it makes more aromatase. That's a pretty slow gradual process so allows your hormones to normalize rather than a sudden spike in estrogen as you would have coming off arimidex.

But yeah that's all there is to it. There are some companies that sell like herbal over the counter pct's but they're no good. These are the real pharmaceutical chemical so that's what you want. Feel free to ask any more questions you got, that's what we're here for

oh i see take aromasin the entire time and start clomid 2 weeks after my last injection. man if i could read this would be easier... lol

ok well can I get Aromasin from that site? I dont see it and I definitely want to go with that and clomid.

(4 weeks go it, ty)

it was under exemestane.. found it!

F*ck me running its out of stock is there another vender in the u.s. like that one that would have real stuff?

yeah 12.5mg exem/aromasin a day is usually enough on cycle, the way I've seen it outlined most people say to bump to 25mg for the beginning of pct and then back down to 12.5, finish it the same time as the clomid.

If you start carrying alot of water, your blood pressure goes up too much, or your nips get tingly/itchy you probably need to take a higher dose of exem/aroma. If your joints start to hurt or your libido drops off you may be taking too much. Without bloodwork it's hard to know exactly what your estro levels are so you just have to look out for side effects

edit: if they're out of stock you can buy arimidex now, which is a bit cheaper, and then when you pick up your clomid grab the aromasin and switch to that during pct. There are other research chem sites out there but I don't have alot of experience with them. Check out manpowernutrition.com though. They're good and good prices, but you need to pay with WU. Other than that you can get pharma grade AI's /Serms from alldaychemist.com , still pretty cheap but shipping will take two weeks or so

There are plenty of research chemical sites. Just be sure to research some reviews, some are kinda sketchy. If I were you I'd get some more test and run the cycle out to 12+ weeks at that dose. 6 weeks and cyp is just getting good.

Thanks man, looks like i got the pct figured out now thanks to you... I saw this on a vender's site... this looks like my test?

275.00 USD 325.00 USD
Cypiox (Testosterone Cypionate)

Bulk Discount Offers

• Manufacturer: Opiox Pharma
  Substance: Testosterone Cypionate
  Pack: 25 x 2 ml vial (250 mg/ml)

Nice. Order that shit and get the aromasin and the clomid. You'll be g2g.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Nice. Order that shit and get the aromasin and the clomid. You'll be g2g.

I can't find the aromasin or clomid anywhere so far. If you have a vender you like and trust shoot me a link. I would rather order all in one shot.

Testosterone Cypionate


13.00 USD 18.00 USD

• Testosterone Cypionate 2ml Sachet
  
  General information:
  
  Manufacturer: Gen-Shi Laboratories
  Substance: Testosterone Cypionate
  Packing: 2ml sachet (250 mg/ml)

I'm confused on how much this is... is this 250mg of T or 500 mg of T? 2ml sachet????

(ya I'm that new)

it's 250mg per ml. In that thing there is 2ml. So yes, total it is 500.

never used a sachet, how does one draw from it and keep it sterile?

I'm sure the site you found those at has ais and clomid. Check under the on cycle and post cycle tabs. That sachet is 2ml @ 250mg/ml so 500mg total test per sachet.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

never used a sachet, how does one draw from it and keep it sterile?

Not really sure. I don't ever want to find out either.

I believe you would wipe the bag down, puncture it and draw? Maybe transfer to a vial? Or you could just order vials and not deal with it.

I just checked vials are the same price... thats not bad considering I just paid double for it... but that included the Dbol too. (60 tabs 50mg each)

...dont see any clomid or aromasin/exemestane