Thread: Attention HEAVYIRON and BRANDON123 Thank you for your great articles

Primo's too low and shouldn't be used on a first cycle anyways. Possibly bump the test to 12 weeks as well.

How often you dosing the 'dex? What about an AI during PCT?

I'd rather you run a bit more T than add Primo.

600-750mg T per week for 10 weeks

50mg Clomid daily for 4 weeks.

Keep it simple

Adex as needed

Agreed, I direct people to heavyiron's sticky so much I put it in my sig :P

Hench, I was going to run Dex once a day according to the info provided by HeavyIron and Brandon123. HeavyIron if you say to stay away from Primo for my first cycle i will do so. If you could explain to me why it would be safer to stay away from Primo for my first cycle I would appreciate it and pass that knowledge onto others. As im sure people who read about it being safer and not aromatazing or turning into DHT may think about using it as well. HeavyI you said to use dex as needed. So I'm assuming that that means I might not need it every day? If I don't use it every day how can I tell "when I need it?" And your saying stay away from the finestride or that its not neccessary? I saw a recent TV commercial with those lawyers trying to get cases against medical stuff and it was for propecia so I'm not going to lie I've thought twice about it using finerstride today. Also Hench isn't Clomid an "AI"? Hope I don't sound to stupid really just trying to learn.

Digitalash haha they are like the Buddhas of steroid knowledge.

Originally Posted by Schyluer

Hench, I was going to run Dex once a day according to the info provided by HeavyIron and Brandon123. HeavyIron if you say to stay away from Primo for my first cycle i will do so. If you could explain to me why it would be safer to stay away from Primo for my first cycle I would appreciate it and pass that knowledge onto others. As im sure people who read about it being safer and not aromatazing or turning into DHT may think about using it as well. HeavyI you said to use dex as needed. So I'm assuming that that means I might not need it every day? If I don't use it every day how can I tell "when I need it?" And your saying stay away from the finestride or that its not neccessary? I saw a recent TV commercial with those lawyers trying to get cases against medical stuff and it was for propecia so I'm not going to lie I've thought twice about it using finerstride today. Also Hench isn't Clomid an "AI"? Hope I don't sound to stupid really just trying to learn.

You really need to utilize the power of google and your local library a lot more before you get into this. Clomid is a SERM for one. If you believe all the shit you see on TV I pity you. And as far as how much and often you need to use an AI, only blood work can tell you that, everyone's body is different.

Originally Posted by Schyluer

Hench, I was going to run Dex once a day according to the info provided by HeavyIron and Brandon123. HeavyIron if you say to stay away from Primo for my first cycle i will do so. If you could explain to me why it would be safer to stay away from Primo for my first cycle I would appreciate it and pass that knowledge onto others. As im sure people who read about it being safer and not aromatazing or turning into DHT may think about using it as well. HeavyI you said to use dex as needed. So I'm assuming that that means I might not need it every day? If I don't use it every day how can I tell "when I need it?" And your saying stay away from the finestride or that its not neccessary? I saw a recent TV commercial with those lawyers trying to get cases against medical stuff and it was for propecia so I'm not going to lie I've thought twice about it using finerstride today. Also Hench isn't Clomid an "AI"? Hope I don't sound to stupid really just trying to learn.

not heavy or brandon but I'll give it a shot anyway :P

For your first cycle you really don't want to run anything but test because if you get bad side effects you'll have no idea what's causing it. Plus test is about as safe/cheap/effective as it gets. Depending on your test dosage you may not need an AI, but at 500mg I think it's likely you will. .25mg a-dex every day [ED] or .5mg EOD is usually fine. If your estrogen is too high you will start retaining more water, your blood pressure will go up, your skin will get more oily and more acne, your nips might start feeling itchy or sensitive [gyno symptoms]. If your estrogen is too low you may start getting joint pain or your libido will drop [if you're on test, low libido is not normal :P ] .

A mild test cycle like that is very unlikely to cause any problems with hairloss, and finasteride comes with side effects of it's own so it's not a good idea. Unless you're already losing hair or running pretty large doses you won't need it. Clomid is a "selective estrogen receptor modulator" or SERM. It binds with the estrogen receptor preventing estrogen from activating it. An AI, or aromatase inhibitor binds with the aromatase enzyme preventing it from converting testosterone or other AAS into estrogen. Clomid is typically only used for pct because it binds with the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, your brain percieves this as you not producing enough testosterone, since the main source of estrogen in males comes from aromatization of testosterone. Thus it signals your testes to start producing more, bringing back your natural production. Nolva is also a SERM, but it doesn't bind as well to the hypothalamus so it won't help your recovery as much. It does however bind very well with estro receptors in breast tissue so it's good for backup control of gyno if you dose your AI improperly. Nolva also reduces igf-1 levels which will make it harder to retain muscle during pct.

Ok thank you for the reply OfficerFarva. Btw i have family in Alberta in Raymond and Lethbridge. So do you have any recommended reading material? Like I said I'm willing to learn and put in the work whether its physical or mental. And I apologize for not knowing Clomid was not an AI. Is there a link you would recommend I go to learn about AIs on this website? Cuz like I said I've been looking into this stuff and reading and asking people for a while now and gathering as much info as I can. When I do get my bloodwork Tested I'll post it here so if anyone's willing to help they can teach me what I would need to do. And as always I'm a big believer in paying it forward so any info shared with me I will be glad to help others.

Hey thanks for all that info Digitalash! I appreciate it. Ill read that stuff you sent me too. Am I retarded or was there no AI explanation in the Articles by "the Buddhas?" I'll read them both again just to be sure.

So the Arimidex is the AI than correct?

yeah heavyiron's sticky should cover Ai's/serm's/pct etc. pretty well

follow that to the letter and you'll be good to go, not sure if it's mentioned there but it is ok to add a low dose of dbol or another oral for the first 3-4 weeks if you so choose. 25-30mg dbol should give you pretty decent gains for your first time with minimal side effects. Dbol converts to estrogen pretty heavily though so watch out for the symptoms and up your AI dosage accordingly

arimidex is okay for on cycle, but not so great for pct. Aromasin would be ideal for both but if price is an issue then you can run arimidex on cycle and switch to aromasin for pct

Cool, I graduated from the UofL last year. Answer these questions and you'll be on the right path:

So You Think You Can Cycle? Q&A Time.

This is just basic stuff you should know about AAS that I'd recommend you learn. Learn to do research and do lots of it.

Wowwwwww OfficerFarva that list is EXTREMELY comprehensive.. The first thing I learned from that and I googled and read about that's really important is the Tests I need to take before, during, and after. I can now see why HeavyIron says to keep it as simple as possible. That is like an encyclopedia of knowledge I need to learn. I'm not going to lie my ADD screamed inside of me and I became a little un-nerved because of such a daunting task.. But after I figure this all out I'll be able to run my own cycle without asking.. So, OfficerFarva would you reccomend that I learn all of that before I do a simple cycle after I get my Tests done? I feel like I would need to carry around flash cards to memorize all that stuff.