Thread: First Cycle - Critique Wanted

HCG should be 500IU 2x per week for a total of 1000IU
Arimidex- start with that and adjust dosage as needed
exemestane would be a better choice for AI though
nolvadex is better for on the spot gyno treatment
Clomid is superior than nolva for pct, get that

Per the sticky about cycle advice, here is some more info:

1) Age
27

2) Weight and Percent BodyFat
190, never checked but decently lean - could afford to lose 10-15 lbs before super lean

3) Years of Consistant Training experience
seven years

4) Previous Cycle experience
none

5) Training routine and Diet
4 day split (mon-back, wed-chest/bis, fri-legs, sat-shoulder/tris), 55f/145c/225p daily with carb-ups on thurs & sat (cutting some weight currently)

6) Cycle Goals
hopefully gain 5-10 lbs muscle with no fat gain once all is said and done - I will be upping the calories drastically during cycle and following cycle for a couple of months, then cut again

Originally Posted by LightBearer

HCG should be 500IU 2x per week for a total of 1000IU
Arimidex- start with that and adjust dosage as needed
exemestane would be a better choice for AI though
nolvadex is better for on the spot gyno treatment
Clomid is superior than nolva for pct, get that

keep your nolva off cycle and in pct.
start your pct from week 14.

Originally Posted by KJohnT

I will be upping the calories drastically during cycle and following cycle for a couple of months, then cut again

I would bump up to maintenance calories for a couple of weeks before making that drastic calorie increase...
I just ran my first cycle, gained 20lbs overall and the only fat I gained was in the first 2-3 weeks because I increased my calories too fast. Good luck with your cycle!

Lightbearer hit the nail on the head.

You could add in an oral kick start too if you wanted. But that's up to you.

Starting PCT in week 13 is OK, but you need Clomid there, not Nolva. Nolva won't help to recover at all. Also don't use Nolvadex on cycle, you have Arimidex.

Yeah drop the nolva on cycle. Arimidex will do just fine. I've only ever used aromasin and letro so I can't really chime in on how good adex is. I usually use nolva and clomid in pct but I am gonna try clomid/aromasin this time. Aromasin actually raise igf-1 unlike nolva.
Everything else looks good. And start pct at week 13 like planned

Originally Posted by LightBearer

HCG should be 500IU 2x per week for a total of 1000IU
Arimidex- start with that and adjust dosage as needed
exemestane would be a better choice for AI though
nolvadex is better for on the spot gyno treatment
Clomid is superior than nolva for pct, get that

This^^^

Although, with your cycle you could get away with 250iu x2/wk. You also want to start your hcg in week one, not week 2.

No reason to run Nolva ED on-cycle...your arimidex or Aromasin will take care of estrogen sides.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

HCG should be 500IU 2x per week for a total of 1000IU
Arimidex- start with that and adjust dosage as needed
exemestane would be a better choice for AI though
nolvadex is better for on the spot gyno treatment
Clomid is superior than nolva for pct, get that

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

Starting PCT in week 13 is OK, but you need Clomid there, not Nolva. Nolva won't help to recover at all. Also don't use Nolvadex on cycle, you have Arimidex.

Originally Posted by GMO

This^^^

Although, with your cycle you could get away with 250iu x2/wk. You also want to start your hcg in week one, not week 2.

No reason to run Nolva ED on-cycle...your arimidex or Aromasin will take care of estrogen sides.

So here is what I'm looking at right now then:

Cycle
1) Week 1-10 – Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week (250mg monday & 250mg thursday)
2) Week 1-12 – hCG 1000iu/week (500iu monday & 500iu thursday)
3) Week 1-12 – exemestane 12.5mg/EOD
PCT
1a) Week 13 – Clomid 100mg/day (50mg in morning & 50mg at night)
1b) Week 14-16 – Clomid 50mg/day


Questions

1) Does the exemestane dosing look about right? I did a little research but have once again come up with conflicting answers and this is about middle-of-the-road in regards to what I've read.


2) Is the clomid dosing in PCT OK? Should I expect any blurred vision at that dose?


3) Anyone else want to chime in on the HCG (in terms of dosage, timing, number of weeks, etc.)?


4) Should I purchase Nolva still in case of gyno sides? I am nervous about it since I had it slightly as a teen, and although only a very neglible amount still remains, it is scary shit to think of myself with tits.


5) Any other advice or suggestions?







Thanks again for all of the input guys; I really appreciate it!

Originally Posted by Hubauer

I would bump up to maintenance calories for a couple of weeks before making that drastic calorie increase...
I just ran my first cycle, gained 20lbs overall and the only fat I gained was in the first 2-3 weeks because I increased my calories too fast. Good luck with your cycle!

Yeah I had planned on it. I'm actually going to start slowly bringing up the carbs throughout October and add about 10g fat per day as well. Simultaneously I'm going to slowly bring down the cardio so I'm not doing any on cycle.

I plan on starting my cylce November 1st. And I'm going to go to town on the food during the holidays!

exemestane should be ran every day for more stable blood levels
have nolva on hand for gyno just in case
also would be in your best interest to have letro available as well, but your cycle is mild. i like to be safe

Originally Posted by LightBearer

exemestane should be ran every day for more stable blood levels
have nolva on hand for gyno just in case
also would be in your best interest to have letro available as well, but your cycle is mild. i like to be safe

So 12.5mg exemestane every day?

12.5ED is a good base. That should be fine for this cycle.

Again, Lightbearer hit the nail on the head. I always like to keep some letro on hand just incase something happens. There's no reason not to. It's cheap insurance. And something did happen and I was glad I had it.

You also want to run Aromasin during your PCT. 25/25/12.5/12.5 should work good alongside the clomid.

Originally Posted by KJohnT

So 12.5mg exemestane every day?

yes sir

OK fellas let me pick your brains once more before I'm good to go...

Due to logistics, I'd like to go with Test C instead of Test E (same dosage). I've read they are the same except Test C has a slightly longer half-life due to a different ester. Because of its slightly longer half-life, I should wait four more days to start my PCT with Test C when compared to Test E (wait 18 days for Test C and 14 for Test E). Can you guys confirm this is correct?