Thread: Just got my Labs back!

500mcg letro, whats that equilivant to in mg's? im only familiar with seeing it like 2.5mg/1.25 ect.

That's .5 mg. Seems like the e2 is getting the best of him. Maybe .5mg letro is suppressing too much enough of the e2. Although no joint pain seems weird.

.5 mg = 500 mcg

Did you have your thyroid checked?

I generally feel lethargic while on cycle, especially when running orals. I take naps most days on cycle.

Why are you bulking at 20% bf? Imo, you shouldn't even be on a cycle, especially a bulk. Putting that aside, your lethargy is probably due to the dbol. When I was on dbol a few weeks ago, I was really lethargic. I took two hour naps almost every day and I still felt like I could sleep more. The lethargy went away about a week after I stopped taking the dbol.

so ur running a 5 week cycle? 20% bodyfat screams bad diet.

Originally Posted by OnPoint88

My test level is 2900 and my LH and FSH are normal! Now here's the problem, I'm lethargic like an old man and don't have any water retention. I'm 35, 5'10", 209 lbs., 20% body fat-no abs at all. My cycle is like this:

100mg Proviron ED
500mcg Letro ED
50mg Dbol ED
Week 1-5 1g Test E
Week 4-5 1g EQ
Dropping the EQ and Dbol and adding Mast E and Tren E

I've been training heavy for Bulk cycle and put on 7 lbs but pretty sure some of that is fat. I have no idea why my energy is way down. I mean I'm on vacation and fell asleep in the middle of the day after and ECA stack!

? I wk of eq? 5 wks of test?

LOL at LH and FSH being normal...

Dbol makes me not want to get out of bed.

Thyroid could be out of whack like mine. That plays a big part in energy level. Why only two weeks of EQ. 16-20 weeks or no EQ. You should save the Mast until your BF is down in the range of 12-13 AT LEAST. Of course if you cleanup your diet and reduce calories it surely comes in handy to retain musculature throughout the calorie-depleted phase of body recomp. Howver, at 20% BF, you're nowhere near a body recomp. Must clean up diet and shed some fat/water weight and get those abs developed bro.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Why are you bulking at 20% bf? Imo, you shouldn't even be on a cycle, especially a bulk. Putting that aside, your lethargy is probably due to the dbol. When I was on dbol a few weeks ago, I was really lethargic. I took two hour naps almost every day and I still felt like I could sleep more. The lethargy went away about a week after I stopped taking the dbol.

Speaking of people bulking @ 20% bf, no offense to anyone who may be involved but pretty much everyone in the EK bulking contest shouldn't even be cycling let alone bulking. There are a couple exceptions but I think they need to switch that to a cutting contest lol

But yeah dbol made me pretty damn lethargic towards the end, on just test I feel ready to go all the time though



edit: and like heavy said, how the hell is it possible your LH and FSH are normal?

Originally Posted by pieguy

That's .5 mg. Seems like the e2 is getting the best of him. Maybe .5mg letro is suppressing too much enough of the e2. Although no joint pain seems weird.

^^^ this

AIs do that to me too

You especially have to be careful with letro because its much stronger than other AIs

The reason I said it's low e2 and not high e2 is cause of the normal lh and fsh. I didn't even know it was possible to have low FSH/LH with a gram of test in you + 50mg dbol everyday for 4 weeks straight. Seems like you have bunk something....

If his test is that high his LH/FSH should definitely be dropping. I'm thinking the only way that's possible is if you just started the cycle and it hasn't had a chance to change yet, even if the dbol were bunk with test levels like that your LH will be in the toilet soon enough

Originally Posted by LightBearer

500mcg letro, whats that equilivant to in mg's? im only familiar with seeing it like 2.5mg/1.25 ect.

I have the liquid so .2ml is .5mg.

Originally Posted by pieguy

That's .5 mg. Seems like the e2 is getting the best of him. Maybe .5mg letro is suppressing too much enough of the e2. Although no joint pain seems weird.

For got to mention the joint pain, but yeah dropping the Letro until it's needed.

Originally Posted by KUVinny

.5 mg = 500 mcg

Did you have your thyroid checked?

That's what I thought was the problem. Scanning the lab reports tomorrow and will post the 3 pages.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I generally feel lethargic while on cycle, especially when running orals. I take naps most days on cycle.

This is new for me, I think its the dbol.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Why are you bulking at 20% bf? Imo, you shouldn't even be on a cycle, especially a bulk. Putting that aside, your lethargy is probably due to the dbol. When I was on dbol a few weeks ago, I was really lethargic. I took two hour naps almost every day and I still felt like I could sleep more. The lethargy went away about a week after I stopped taking the dbol.

I forgot to mention I started at about 12% and guessing at 20% now because I started eating seefood, everything I seen and got a little pot belly but still lean everywhere else. Yeah dropping the dbol but might help get me to sleep when I start the Tren lol

Originally Posted by Mooksman

so ur running a 5 week cycle? 20% bodyfat screams bad diet.

I forgot to mention thats 5 weeks into my cycle. I still have 2 bottles of test left and Tren and Mast for the last half. Bad diet:guilty. I start eating blueberry muffins like gum drops, not to trigger anyone else lol

Originally Posted by littlekev

? I wk of eq? 5 wks of test?

Just front loading the EQ before I start my cut mix, I hear EQ and Tren work well together.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Dbol makes me not want to get out of bed.

Same here, not even with an ECA stack making my heart race.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Thyroid could be out of whack like mine. That plays a big part in energy level. Why only two weeks of EQ. 16-20 weeks or no EQ. You should save the Mast until your BF is down in the range of 12-13 AT LEAST. Of course if you cleanup your diet and reduce calories it surely comes in handy to retain musculature throughout the calorie-depleted phase of body recomp. Howver, at 20% BF, you're nowhere near a body recomp. Must clean up diet and shed some fat/water weight and get those abs developed bro.

Thyroids good. Just front loading the EQ before I start the cut mix. I knew I should have started the Tren and Mast first but thought I should bulk up first, now I wish I had did a lean bulk after. I wonder if the HCG will curb my appetite like it supposedly does for girls?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Speaking of people bulking @ 20% bf, no offense to anyone who may be involved but pretty much everyone in the EK bulking contest shouldn't even be cycling let alone bulking. There are a couple exceptions but I think they need to switch that to a cutting contest lol

But yeah dbol made me pretty damn lethargic towards the end, on just test I feel ready to go all the time though



edit: and like heavy said, how the hell is it possible your LH and FSH are normal?

I think the LH and FSH are normal because of the Letro. I actually think it may be overdosed and wiped my E2. Will post the 3 page lab report soon.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

If his test is that high his LH/FSH should definitely be dropping. I'm thinking the only way that's possible is if you just started the cycle and it hasn't had a chance to change yet, even if the dbol were bunk with test levels like that your LH will be in the toilet soon enough

They are on the low side of the normal range and will probably drop soon.

3 pages of Labs, now time for some second opinions!

Originally Posted by heavyiron

LOL at LH and FSH being normal...

I wouldnt of expected to see normal LH FSH levels at that high MG gear