Seeking approval and/or improvement for first cycle

**jim stevens** · 10-01-2011, 03:09 PM

Hey bros. Want to know what everybody thinks. I know it might be long but wanted to be thorough.

Well let's get into it. According to Victorz06 ya'll need to know the following before i can get any advice:
1) Age
-24
2) Height, Weight and Percent BodyFat
-6'4" 265lbs. ~20%(estimated based on the fact in college we were water tested and I have more pinchable fat now than then, but not near as much as i had when i started my cut 9 months ago(30%)
3) Years of Consistant Training experience
-In the gym since age 12. Spent every summer since 8th grade at different places like sparq/velocity/etc. Bulked and cut in college under nutritionists and learned how my body does both best. Played D-1 defensive end at 275lbs @ 14%. Took one year completely off from training and diet after I didn't get invited to any pro camps. After that got right back in the gym(which was last January), which brings us up till now.
4) Previous Cycle experience
-None
5) Training routine and Diet
-5/3/1 Triumvirate four days a week with only 20 min pwo cardio when i feel i can. Been on ckd and it was all i could due to finish my workouts (no stims). Cut from 315 last january to 265 now. But will be adding morning cardio during the cycle.
Diet is very strict, as i gain fat easily, CKD with around 170g fat and 250-300g protein,
like this: meal 1- 50g shake with coconut milk
meal 2- baked fish or chicken
meal 3- baked fish or chicken
Workout
meal 4- PWO 50g shake with coconut milk
meal 5- beef jerky or steak and avocado
meal 6- beef jerky or steak and avocado or 50g shake with coconut milk.....................ps(i make the jerky so i can control sodium on it)

But I am thinking of going TKD while on cycle and would do morning cardio followed by shake, then the chicken/fish meals with carbs before workout (about 30-40g) , and 30g fast carb pwo with shake. Then no carbs till next day.
6) Cycle Goals
- Mainly as much strength as I can put on. 250lbs with 10% or less and to get my lifts back to semi-respectable numbers. They are currently 275x3 bench, 315x3 squat, and 365x4 dead. Ultimately i want a minimum of the following 400 bench, 500 squat, and 600 dead all raw. Also my senior year i hit 365x2 on bench(after shoulder surger), 545 squat( belt and knee wraps), and 565 dead(belt and straps).

Now here's the good stuff (i know it's light but I plan on doing quite a few of these in the many years to come, so i'm starting low)
Week 1-3 - Test Prop 100mg eod
Week 1-10- Test E 350mg (two pins for a total of 350mg per week)
Week 1-12 - Adex .5mg eod
Week 13-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Week 13-16 Clomid 100/50/50/25

Also have 150 25mg caps of Anvar. Would you do 75days@50mg, 50days@75mg, or 37.5days@100mg.

Doing the math i have roughly 212lbs lbm so i need to gain and maintain at least 13 pounds of muscle and drop at least 28 pounds of fat. I think this is doable over 16 weeks.

What do the bros of the board thnk?

**jim stevens** · 10-02-2011, 12:50 PM

bump

**pieguy** · 10-02-2011, 02:56 PM

You need to read the first cycle sticky. Don't need nolva in pct, up ur test a bit, drop your bf some more. Maybe add a dbol kicker altho a test prop kick ain't bad. My body didnt respond to prop as fast as I would've liked but maybe you'll get better results.

I'd do anavar at 75mg for 50 days and finish ur cycle with it. Heavy put up some studies saying anavar helps reduce abdominal fat which is probably why ur using it.

**sofargone561** · 10-02-2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

You need to read the first cycle sticky. Don't need nolva in pct, up ur test a bit, drop your bf some more. Maybe add a dbol kicker altho a test prop kick ain't bad. My body didnt respond to prop as fast as I would've liked but maybe you'll get better results.

I'd do anavar at 75mg for 50 days and finish ur cycle with it. Heavy put up some studies saying anavar helps reduce abdominal fat which is probably why ur using it.

idk if you should do dbol first cycle... why not just a simple clean test E 500mg/ week for 10-12 weeks? also drop you bf more before starting...

**pieguy** · 10-02-2011, 03:23 PM

I understand the whole stick to test only first cycle to judge sides but IMO, it's a bit unwarranted. If u did ur research, u know what is causing what sides and the blood tests give u some confirmation. If u have reputable ais and serms, ur golden. Altho if ur not comfortable with aas and don't research much, then yeah, keep it simple. I'm constantly reading about aas and love the research so I'm pretty daring when it comes whether or not to use multiple compounds. helps to use short esthers if ur experimenting cause if u mess up, just stop.

Use a shitload of stane I u do run test and dbol tho. I was up to 25mg every 12 hours but the pumps were sooo worth it.

**sofargone561** · 10-02-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

I understand the whole stick to test only first cycle to judge sides but IMO, it's a bit unwarranted. If u did ur research, u know what is causing what sides and the blood tests give u some confirmation. If u have reputable ais and serms, ur golden. Altho if ur not comfortable with aas and don't research much, then yeah, keep it simple. I'm constantly reading about aas and love the research so I'm pretty daring when it comes whether or not to use multiple compounds. helps to use short esthers if ur experimenting cause if u mess up, just stop.

me 2. i agree, i just think something as powerful as dbol should be kept till second cycle atleasy thats just imo. as much as i would have loved to jumpstart with dbol, its always good to test the waters before jumping in head first if you know what i mean but i do agree if you do you research and do everything properly i dont see why you couldnt run dbol first cycle.

**pieguy** · 10-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Definitely never hurts to wait till 2nd cycle. Nobody ever stops after just one cycle anyway

**sofargone561** · 10-02-2011, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by pieguy

Definitely never hurts to wait till 2nd cycle. Nobody ever stops after just one cycle anyway

haha nope nobody ever does. i havnt even started my first cycle yet and im already about to order my second lmao and yes it includes dbol!

**jim stevens** · 10-02-2011, 04:42 PM

thanks bros. Nolva Dropped.

i have no intention of running only one cycle and am looking forward to trying dbol one day in a bulk.
I'm using anavar far the strength gains and wanted something to spare my joints al little while adding the pounds. Several powerlifter friends of mine took it when we they were competing in college added loads of strength that with their continued heavy training they kept.
My bf is dropping as we speak and my gear has not yet arrived.
Also change of plan on the workouts. Freak job oppurtunity changed the whole scene. Since i'm moving back to my city where i went to school I also decided to add in three conditioning workouts a week on MWF morn run by the performance coach I had in college for off season. He trains professional athletes(nfl mostly, no names) at his facility, and he also happnes to be my uncle, and since he's not going to be very busy for the next few months i asked him jokingly to turn me back into a 250lb version of the same guy i was two years ago( i look forward to puking after the warmup in the morning)The workouts will be mostly plyo/explosiveness/quickness/agility, think the kind of workouts a linebacker would do to prep for a combine. He will also handle my workouts now but weights will still be Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri afternoons. And obviously my diet will get a severe boost in carbs and drop in fat.

Given these changes to my workouts would you recommend any changes to my cyle other than dropping the nolva and running anavar@75mg last 50 days. Not going to up the test, plenty of friends, and many online sources including this board have people reporting gains on 250mg week first cycle and I would like to have a place to build from.

Also was able to get some hcg and will add that in @ 250-500iu 2xweek weeks 1-12

**Vibrant** · 10-02-2011, 05:05 PM

Repped for reading the rules before posting. your cycle layout looks pretty good. Things I'd change: lose a little more bf before starting maybe to around or less than 15%, which it sounds like you're doing. Up the test e to 500-600 because you're a pretty big guy already. Add aromasin to pct at 25/25/12.5/12.5 to prevent estrogen rebound. You may add var as a finisher to the end of your cycle, I wouldn't go below 75mg for a guy of your size.

Good luck.

**LightBearer** · 10-02-2011, 05:30 PM

you being 265lbs i dont think 350mg per week of test is gonna cut it for you. why not 500>?

**jim stevens** · 10-02-2011, 05:45 PM

don't know why i never considered my size an issue on dosing. the people gaining off of 250-300mg test and 50mg var are on average probably 50lbs lighter than i am. In fact my friends i mentioned above were all at least 50 lbs llghter than me when they cycled at that low dose
new cycle
Week 1-3 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-10 test E 500mg week
Week 6-12 Var 75mg ed
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5mg eod
Week 1-12 hcg 250-500iu 2xweek
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

**GMO** · 10-02-2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by jim stevens

new cycle
Week 1-3 Test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-10 test E 500mg week
Week 6-12 Var 75mg ed
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5mg eod
Week 1-12 hcg 250-500iu 2xweek
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

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