Thread: Need Expert Recomp Cycle Advise...Please

Diet?

Originally Posted by coach5

I am looking to do a recomp cycle starting the middle of November. I was thinking/leaning towards a combo of TestE/EQ/Winny. The length of the cycle would be 16 weeks with the winny only being run the last 6 weeks. I was thinking of lifting heavy the first 10 weeks to add some more mass...especially to my chest...and then going light and high reps the last 6 weeks to burn fat and chisel up just in time for beach season. Here are my stats:

1) Age (35)
2) Weight and Percent BodyFat (238 & 12-13%)
3) Years of Consistant Training experience (6 years)
4) Previous Cycle experience (1 cycle of TestE 500mg/wk for 10wks)
5) Training routine and Diet (Cardio 4x/week Chest,Legs,off,Back & Biceps,Shoulders & Triceps,off,off)
6) Cycle Goals (Recomp!!! Get down to 215-220 and 6-7% BF)

Here is what I was thinking for the layout....

Wks 1-16 Test-E @ 125mg/EOD
Wks 1-16 EQ @ 175mg/EOD
Wks 11-12 Winny @ 50mg/ED
Wks 13-14 Winny @ 75mg/ED
Wks 15-16 Winny @ 100mg/ED
Wks 2-6,8-12,14-18 HCG @ 500iu/Twice weekly

Wks 19-22 PCT of Clomid @ 100,75,50,25


Thanks in advance for any advise given

I wouldnt bother injecting Test and EQ eod. It defeats the advantage of running a long ester. 2 times a week for both compounds will be fine.
EQ and test can also be mixed in the same barrel to minimize injections.
i would push your winny back 2 weeks so you have a compound to run during the bridge.
IMO, clomid dose not need to be ran that high -50,50,50,25,25 will be fine.

Add the test and EQ together and why dont you just stop there. for your 3rd cycle add the winny

Originally Posted by DLEATO

I wouldnt bother injecting Test and EQ eod. It defeats the advantage of running a long ester. 2 times a week for both compounds will be fine.
EQ and test can also be mixed in the same barrel to minimize injections.
i would push your winny back 2 weeks so you have a compound to run during the bridge.
IMO, clomid dose not need to be ran that high -50,50,50,25,25 will be fine.

The reason I was thinking EOD was so I don't have to inject 2cc into one muscle group at a time. Good Idea on pushing the winny back 2 weeks though...I've seen where several people push it back that way.

Originally Posted by Mooksman

Diet?

Diet will be a 50/35/15(P/C/F) split the first 10 weeks and then I will cut the carbs back every week after that while upping my protein consumption.

Protein will come from egg whites, chicken, tuna, lean beef, ground turkey, and protein shakes.

Carbs will come from whole grain bread and pasta, brown rice, russet and sweet potatoes, and beans.

Fats will come from fish oil, olive oil, peanut butter, almonds, cashews, and whole eggs.

Originally Posted by FUZO

Add the test and EQ together and why dont you just stop there. for your 3rd cycle add the winny

I'm wanting to use the winny the harden up and shed water at the end. The test will keep my libido up and my strength. The eq will help with my joints due to it ability to increase collagen synthesis, increase vascularity, help my appetite, and maintain muscle while in a calorie deficit the last couple of weeks. The winny will help to rid me of the test bloat, further increase vascularity, harden up all of my gains I've made, and from what I've read it is very synergistic with both Test and Eq.

Best Recomp I've ever run was this past summer - went from 225lbs/13% down to 208lbs 9% with increase of strength and vascularity while on low caloric intake 2,500 - 3K cals ED(high protein) and assisted with Test Cyp, Mast Prop, Winstrol Depot and then Tren Ace replacing the Winstrol Depot after 4 weeks. Cycle looked like this:

Weeks 1-10 - Test Cyp 500mg (2x weekly at 250mg per shot)
Weeks 1-10 - Mast Prop 150mg EOD (450mg EW)
Weeks 1-4 - Winstrol Depot (Desma amps) 50mg ED
Weeks 5-10 - Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Proviron 25-50mg ED

Originally Posted by BigBird

Best Recomp I've ever run was this past summer - went from 225lbs/13% down to 208lbs 9% with increase of strength and vascularity while on low caloric intake 2,500 - 3K cals ED(high protein) and assisted with Test Cyp, Mast Prop, Winstrol Depot and then Tren Ace replacing the Winstrol Depot after 4 weeks. Cycle looked like this:

Weeks 1-10 - Test Cyp 500mg (2x weekly at 250mg per shot)
Weeks 1-10 - Mast Prop 150mg EOD (450mg EW)
Weeks 1-4 - Winstrol Depot (Desma amps) 50mg ED
Weeks 5-10 - Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Proviron 25-50mg ED

That looks like a great cycle, but I don't think Tren and Mast are good choices for a second cycle...especially the Tren. Now if it were my 5th or 6th cycle...I'd be ok throwing the Tren in there, but I would like to save that magical compound for when nothing else is getting the job done.

Monday morning bump...

Originally Posted by coach5

I'm wanting to use the winny the harden up and shed water at the end. The test will keep my libido up and my strength. The eq will help with my joints due to it ability to increase collagen synthesis, increase vascularity, help my appetite, and maintain muscle while in a calorie deficit the last couple of weeks. The winny will help to rid me of the test bloat, further increase vascularity, harden up all of my gains I've made, and from what I've read it is very synergistic with both Test and Eq.

EQ does not help with joints. That is a misnomer that has been around for years ever since Dan Duchane falsely compared EQ to Deca when it first hit the market. He later retracted that statement, but the rumor is obviously still going strong. EQ is a great compound, but it will make you hungry as hell, so it isn't always the best for cutting or recomp cycles.

Personally, I would replace the Winny with Var at 60-80mg ED. It will cut more bodyfat and harden you up quite a bit without the negative effects on joints and connective tissue.

You can also inject your Test e and EQ 2x/wk. I put 3cc's in my delts, quads and glutes every week. 2cc's 2x/wk is nothing...trust me.

I would also run your test one to two weeks longer thatn the EQ, so they will clear at the same time. EQ should be run 400-600mg /wk, the sweet spot for most people though is 600mg/wk.

Originally Posted by GMO

EQ does not help with joints. That is a misnomer that has been around for years ever since Dan Duchane falsely compared EQ to Deca when it first hit the market. He later retracted that statement, but the rumor is obviously still going strong. EQ is a great compound, but it will make you hungry as hell, so it isn't always the best for cutting or recomp cycles.

Personally, I would replace the Winny with Var at 60-80mg ED. It will cut more bodyfat and harden you up quite a bit without the negative effects on joints and connective tissue.

You can also inject your Test e and EQ 2x/wk. I put 3cc's in my delts, quads and glutes every week. 2cc's 2x/wk is nothing...trust me.



I would also run your test one to two weeks longer thatn the EQ, so they will clear at the same time. EQ should be run 400-600mg /wk, the sweet spot for most people though is 600mg/wk.

Var is just so expensive... I was planning on running 500/wk test and 600wk/eq...

If I don't run winny or var, what could I throw in at the end to pull some water and harden me up?? Mast??

Originally Posted by coach5

Var is just so expensive... I was planning on running 500/wk test and 600wk/eq...

If I don't run winny or var, what could I throw in at the end to pull some water and harden me up?? Mast??

I would recommend Super DMZ by Ironmaglabs. That stuff recomp'ed me like I could not believe in my last cut cycle.

Originally Posted by GMO

I would recommend Super DMZ by Ironmaglabs. That stuff recomp'ed me like I could not believe in my last cut cycle.

I will look into it and do some research on the results. Thanks for all your help and info GMO

i would drop the winny oral at the end and run a moderate dose of masteron along side test/eq for the whole cycle. 100 mg eod of mast prop. shoot for ~ 350mg/wk.

Originally Posted by blizzard93

i would drop the winny oral at the end and run a moderate dose of masteron along side test/eq for the whole cycle. 100 mg eod of mast prop. shoot for ~ 350mg/wk.

Is it ok to run the masteron for 16-17 weeks?? What would be the negatives if any from doing so?

Too bad it's your second cycle. Tren is the king of recomp.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Too bad it's your second cycle. Tren is the king of recomp.

This is what I've heard....

Don't think I have the courage yet though

Originally Posted by DLEATO

I wouldnt bother injecting Test and EQ eod. It defeats the advantage of running a long ester. 2 times a week for both compounds will be fine.
EQ and test can also be mixed in the same barrel to minimize injections.
i would push your winny back 2 weeks so you have a compound to run during the bridge.
IMO, clomid dose not need to be ran that high -50,50,50,25,25 will be fine.

Agree ^^this^^

Thanks to the help of one of our sponsor's reps, I think I'll be running Test-E/EQ/Mast.

Thanks bros for all your help and input.

90% of it is going to be the diet. For me it comes down to low carbs high protein and moderate fat. Run things so you are basically in deficit 3-4 days at a time and then maintenance for 2-3 days and every 10 days or so do a refeed to keep your metabolism from stalling. A recomp is basically like a slow cut with less suffering but suffering non-the-less. Main component for me is keeping carbs down so I stal insulin sensitive and the nutrients partition into the right compartments.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

90% of it is going to be the diet. For me it comes down to low carbs high protein and moderate fat. Run things so you are basically in deficit 3-4 days at a time and then maintenance for 2-3 days and every 10 days or so do a refeed to keep your metabolism from stalling. A recomp is basically like a slow cut with less suffering but suffering non-the-less. Main component for me is keeping carbs down so I stal insulin sensitive and the nutrients partition into the right compartments.

Exactly what I started doing last week....Will continue to do so up until I start and then will eat a surplus the first 10 weeks and go back to a deficit the last 6 weeks.

If you are recomping, just have build days in your diet where are you at or slightly above maintenance on days you lift and burn days for those you do cardio or rest (they are about 30% less than maintenance). It gives you calories to grow and you use fat for energy on the low days cutting you up, pretty straight forward and in this case macros aren't AS important as long as protein is at least 1 gram per pound of body weight a day.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Best Recomp I've ever run was this past summer - went from 225lbs/13% down to 208lbs 9% with increase of strength and vascularity while on low caloric intake 2,500 - 3K cals ED(high protein) and assisted with Test Cyp, Mast Prop, Winstrol Depot and then Tren Ace replacing the Winstrol Depot after 4 weeks. Cycle looked like this:

Weeks 1-10 - Test Cyp 500mg (2x weekly at 250mg per shot)
Weeks 1-10 - Mast Prop 150mg EOD (450mg EW)
Weeks 1-4 - Winstrol Depot (Desma amps) 50mg ED
Weeks 5-10 - Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Proviron 25-50mg ED

Hands down the Desma amps are the best. Made me hard and vascular but my hair was shedding crazy

Originally Posted by BigBird

Best Recomp I've ever run was this past summer - went from 225lbs/13% down to 208lbs 9% with increase of strength and vascularity while on low caloric intake 2,500 - 3K cals ED(high protein) and assisted with Test Cyp, Mast Prop, Winstrol Depot and then Tren Ace replacing the Winstrol Depot after 4 weeks. Cycle looked like this:

Weeks 1-10 - Test Cyp 500mg (2x weekly at 250mg per shot)
Weeks 1-10 - Mast Prop 150mg EOD (450mg EW)
Weeks 1-4 - Winstrol Depot (Desma amps) 50mg ED
Weeks 5-10 - Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Proviron 25-50mg ED

CAn you comment on how you felt/looked/improved when moving from winstrol to tren?

One last bump for a little more input...

Ok..here's a legit question for you bros...

Test-E @ 450/wk for 20wks
EQ @ 500wk for 18wks

or

Test-E @ 500/wk for 18wks
EQ @ 600/wk for 15wks

Also...should I taper the dosages higher the longer I get into the cycle to avoid plateaus?

Originally Posted by Glycomann

CAn you comment on how you felt/looked/improved when moving from winstrol to tren?

Shit man, sorry for delayed response. The most noticeable effects when I transitioned from the Winstrol to the Tren was the sudden boost in strength AND profusely sweating 24/7 instead of only 90% of the time. I compare the transition from Winny to Tren as if you're driving a turbo-charged sports car but suddenly realize it also has a Nitrous feature. Push that Nitro button and BAM! Strength and vascularity improved even more so and virtually overnight when the Tren started. I had already made phenomenal gains on the Winstrol compound so I was surprised the Tren was able to further the gains as significantly as it did. I had no negative sides on the Winstrol such as hair loss or joint discomfort - maybe just got lucky - but the profuse instant sweating 24/7 on the Tren was tolerable only b/c it was a constant reminder that I was shedding fat at an alarming rate. The Winstrol started the improvement in vascularity but the Tren took it to another level. I'd like to run the same exact cycle, doses, compounds, etc, in the same order as this one I experienced. Plus, I didn't even have any orals - other than the Proviron , but at least no anabolic 17a/a orals. The libido I had from the Proviron combined with the Mast was just plain ridiculous to the point that I don't think I will run Proviron and Mast together again EVER. I wanted to fuck 300 times ED. My wife was cool about it - up until a certain point.

Originally Posted by coach5

Ok..here's a legit question for you bros...

Test-E @ 450/wk for 20wks
EQ @ 500wk for 18wks

or

Test-E @ 500/wk for 18wks
EQ @ 600/wk for 15wks

Also...should I taper the dosages higher the longer I get into the cycle to avoid plateaus?

I guess no further help/input on this one???...