What do you think of my first test cycle

**ss396** · 10-02-2011, 07:22 PM

(Will not be doing this cycle til I'm at 10% body fat and around 200lbs)
Background info:
Height: 6'1
Weight: 217lbs
BF: 18%

(All lifts are done raw with no bracers/suits/chalk/gloves/straps) with proper form
Bench 1 RM: 270lbs (all the way down to chest of course)
Squat 1 RM: 440lbs (barely under 90)
Deadlift 1 RM: 405lbs (staggered grip lock out at top slowly all the way down without bouncing the bar and i bend my legs no falling over and dropping the weight)

Goals: Strength!(and mass of course). I wish to increase my verticle and reach a bench 1 RM of 350, Squat 1RM of 550 and Deadlift 1 RM of 525 Lbs all raw.

I am 23 years old and have been lifting since I was 15. Although my novice years weren't all effective. Due to overtraining with improper routines and not knowing the importance of diet. After research and a good work ethic I saw gains though. I dealt with injuries in the past such as a fractured left collarbone/shatterd left wrist and an injured left ankle.

6 months ago I completed my PCT for a 3 week mdrol(superdrol) cycle. I preloaded my cycle support for two weeks then did a 20/20/30 cycle of mdrol. I did a 4 week PCT of nolva at 40/30/20/10 while continuing my cycle support.

I am now looking at doing a test cycle like this

Weeks 1-12: 500mg of test c split into two injections on mon and thurs
Weeks 2-12: 250ui of hcg split into two injections on sun/wed
Weeks 14-18: nolva at 40/40/20/20
Will also be taking a multi vitamin each day along with one fish oil twice a day.

My routine will be
heavy: chest/shoulders/tri
light: lowerbody
heavy: back/bi
off
light: chest/shoulders/tri
heavy: lower body
light; back/bi
off
repeat

One meal a day I take in 500 cals and 20g of protein, another I take in 500 cals and 46g of protein(syntha-6 shake right after workout). The other 4 meals a day i take in 510 cals and 33g of protein. Each meal is spaced out 2-3 hours. I will be upping to 4k cals a day not just 3k.

Questions I have:
1. Should i be taking one of my syntha-6 shakes before i go to bed at night also? Meal replacement(400 cals 46g of protein)
2. Once off my cycle should I be doing heavy days only for the duration of my PCT.
3. On lower body days will finishing with box jumps be too cardiovascular.
4. Should I front load test the first week with a total of 1kmg for between 2 injections.

**Mr.BTB** · 10-02-2011, 07:42 PM

your pct is only nolva?

If this is right, I'd look at using clomid.

coming off cycle you should train as hard as you can with out risking injury and keep up the good diet.

I see no harm in taking a shake before bed, I do it alot or have a solid snack myself.

**longworthb** · 10-02-2011, 08:16 PM

x2 on the clomid. and I always take a mass gainer or a good snack before bed otherwise I wake up in the middle of the night hungry as hell. look into an ai like adex at .25mg every other day to keep bloat down and estro in check

**Usealittle** · 10-02-2011, 08:55 PM

Those are so lofty goals as far as your max lifts go.....80lbs on your bench,110lbs on your squat and 110+ on your DL?.... That's alot to ask out of 1cycle. No sayin it can't be done but.....

**ss396** · 10-02-2011, 09:04 PM

Yes I agree, But finally with a good regiment and diet in check I should make good gains. Those are the max obtainable gains I think I could make. I will work very hard to achieve them, which means I'll make good gains and if I fall a little short then I'll be happy.

But perhaps with DL I should go for 500, I think the squats 525, Bench maybe go for 325

**pieguy** · 10-02-2011, 09:23 PM

You'll see some strength gains on test, but you're asking for a lot out of it when that's something more obtainable with tren or adrol. Read the sticky about first cycle and pct so that you know how to add in an AI (adex or aromasin) and know the dosage for clomid (nolva is mainly for gyno sides). 4k cals like you said is definitely needed for strength gains.

**brad1224** · 10-02-2011, 09:26 PM

asking alot from that cycle but for your first cycle you have you mind in the right place. but if you only run one thing in pct ud want to run clomid...but honestly clomid/nolva or clomid/adex would be best

**Hate4TheWeak** · 10-02-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by ss396

(I am now looking at doing a test cycle like this

Weeks 1-12: 500mg of test c split into two injections on mon and thurs
Weeks 2-12: 250ui of hcg split into two injections on sun/wed
Weeks 14-18: nolva at 40/40/20/20
Will also be taking a multi vitamin each day along with one fish oil twice a day. .

Looks terribly boring and underdosed imo. Other than that I guess It's fine.

**ss396** · 10-02-2011, 09:27 PM

Yes I think I may ad in adex at .25 mg EOD,

What kind of dosing do you think i should use? And I didn't want to triple stack or anything for my first test cycle, i was considering doing dbol weeks: 1-4 at 40mg a day. But i think I'll stick with the test only

**brad1224** · 10-02-2011, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hate4TheWeak

Looks terribly boring and underdosed imo. Other than that I guess It's fine.

for a first cycle???

ya 500 a week of just test is pretty boring but not for a first cycle broham

**Hate4TheWeak** · 10-02-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by brad1224

for a first cycle???

ya 500 a week of just test is pretty boring but not for a first cycle broham

He said he's run superdrol before. That's the strongest legal or illegal AAS out there minus maybe halo or methyltrien.

500mgs of test e sucks ass for a first cycle anyways, coming of of Superdrol?...He's gonna be let down.

IDK some guys can respond to a mild dose like that I guess with some gains but I wouldn't suggest anything under 600mgs ew for a solo test run. Test is shit solo...just my 2c.

**brad1224** · 10-02-2011, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hate4TheWeak

He said he's run superdrol before. That's the strongest legal or illegal AAS out there minus maybe halo or methyltrien.

500mgs of test e sucks ass for a first cycle anyways, coming of of Superdrol?...He's gonna be let down.

IDK some guys can respond to a mild dose like that I guess with some gains but I wouldn't suggest anything under 600mgs ew for a solo test run. Test is shit solo...just my 2c.

i mean i do agree with you that T solo isnt THAT good but id say its a good start....maybe add some D in there would do the trick. idk i personally only ran SD once. but my first cycle was d/test so i guess your right....hahah mah bad homie

**ss396** · 10-02-2011, 09:47 PM

So you guys thinking dbol weeks 1-4 @ 40mg. Idk after some research idk if I want to do anymore orals. So which do you suggest higher test dose or add dbol? Which would overall be better considering gains and sides.

**Mr.BTB** · 10-02-2011, 09:55 PM

Id go DMZ rather than dbol more solid gains....But again thats just me.

**VictorZ06** · 10-02-2011, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by brad1224

but honestly clomid/nolva or clomid/adex would be best

I'd go with clomid/aromasin...aromasin is a better AI for PCT than adex is. IMHO!

/V

**pieguy** · 10-02-2011, 10:28 PM

First cycle I did dbol. Test wasn't doing me much and I really loved dbol pumps. stuff is made for adding weight to the bar. I disliked the heavy e2 it caused but I was fortunate enough to bloat very little.

**ss396** · 10-02-2011, 11:17 PM

Anymore thoughts on the stack with dbol? If ya think I should give it a go. Also with the box jumps, should I do sets of 3 with say 15 seconds of rest in between to avoid endurance training. Obviously I wont be doing a billion 1 2inch jumps I'd be striving for much higher jumps. And if I add dbol, should I preload cycle support for 2 weeks then take it the duration of the dbol and the followup 2 weeks?

**ss396** · 10-03-2011, 12:44 PM

Bump

**pieguy** · 10-03-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ss396

Anymore thoughts on the stack with dbol? If ya think I should give it a go. Also with the box jumps, should I do sets of 3 with say 15 seconds of rest in between to avoid endurance training. Obviously I wont be doing a billion 1 2inch jumps I'd be striving for much higher jumps. And if I add dbol, should I preload cycle support for 2 weeks then take it the duration of the dbol and the followup 2 weeks?

You're overcomplicating the shit out of it asking useless questions. Cycle support can be used however you want, it won't hurt you. Dbol hepatoxicity is blown way out of proportion anyway.

Cookie cutter test + dbol is this:

1-10 - 500mg test e/c bi-weekly
1-6 - 50mg dianabol daily (at least 2 hours pre-workout)
2-12 - 500iu HCG bi-weekly
1-6 - 25mg aromasin daily, or even 25mg twice daily if you get libido loss/bloat
7-12 - 12.5mg aromasin daily
13-16 aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5, clomid 100/75/50/50

**ss396** · 10-03-2011, 02:26 PM

Yes I do tend to micro a lot, but since in still somewhat of a newbie I thought it better safe than sorry

**boss** · 10-04-2011, 05:34 AM

I did just fine with 500mg of test e my first cycle. I exploded max bench went up clean 75lbs and everything else sky rocketed too. Not sure why that's being knocked for a first cycle

**tallgirl** · 10-04-2011, 06:05 AM

My mate does DMZ rather than dbol for solid gains....

**pieguy** · 10-04-2011, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by boss

I did just fine with 500mg of test e my first cycle. I exploded max bench went up clean 75lbs and everything else sky rocketed too. Not sure why that's being knocked for a first cycle

What were you starting with and what are your stats? Test didn't really do much for me although I was already over 1200lbs in the big 3 lifts. Now Dbol, holy shit batman... back pumps and strength increases all over the place.

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