Thread: Proposed cutting cycle

Originally Posted by kyum

I posted that to make a point that your cycle is messed up.

and the reason i did not bother to put anytime into any advice is because this entire thread is full of experience guys telling you not to do it and you end all that great advice with. I guess ill tread where no one has gone.

So basically you ignored all advice, your focused on doing it your way regardless of what others say about how its not right!

Regardless best of luck, maybe venturing off the path will be an adventure for ya!

Except u posted that before I responded to the advice I was given.. 0/10

And sure, ive gotten the typical broscience comments.. Nothing backed up with science or anything substantial though

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Started cycling when I was 20. This will ve my 5th . "i would not do that if I were you" doesnt help me at all.. Im not going to stop cycling because I am young, and I never asked you to lay out a cycle for me.

Wow...your a real piece of work.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Started cycling when I was 20. This will ve my 5th . "i would not do that if I were you" doesnt help me at all.. Im not going to stop cycling because I am young, and I never asked you to lay out a cycle for me.

For being a standard donkey you are really ungrateful when known VETS who have been cycling longer than you have been alive give you advice!

Enjoy!

By the way your cycle looks like shit, and if you didn't want people who actually care give you advice why start the damn thread? But Im guessing donkeys know everything.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Started cycling when I was 20. This will ve my 5th . "i would not do that if I were you" doesnt help me at all.. Im not going to stop cycling because I am young, and I never asked you to lay out a cycle for me.

Son you need to step back and respect your elders. No one wants to see you get hurt...well they didn't.

When you come on here and run your mouth like you know anything and everything and are extremely rude to people it's laughable. I cannot wait until you come crawling back asking for help when you can't recover from your cycle, your boyfriend left your emotional ass because even as gay as he was, he couldn't watch the notebook everynight and listen to you cry yourself to sleep.

Do yourself a favor and quit being such a fucking douche bag and listen to these guys. They are trying to help you. And you're only at 200lbs and you are 5 cycles deep. Obviously you aren't doing something right. You had 5 cycles in ONE year? What happened to PCT? Or did you make the decision that you want to compete in the super lightweight class?

This isn't the first time you've came on here and got your ass kicked, so learn from your mistakes.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Son you need to step back and respect your elders. No one wants to see you get hurt...well they didn't.

When you come on here and run your mouth like you know anything and everything and are extremely rude to people it's laughable. I cannot wait until you come crawling back asking for help when you can't recover from your cycle, your boyfriend left your emotional ass because even as gay as he was, he couldn't watch the notebook everynight and listen to you cry yourself to sleep.

Do yourself a favor and quit being such a fucking douche bag and listen to these guys. They are trying to help you. And you're only at 200lbs and you are 5 cycles deep. Obviously you aren't doing something right. You had 5 cycles in ONE year? What happened to PCT? Or did you make the decision that you want to compete in the super lightweight class?

This isn't the first time you've came on here and got your ass kicked, so learn from your mistakes.

did you seriously just say that? Lmao.. just when I thought highschool was over


anyways, I apologize that my honesty offended anyone, I was not trying to be offensive..


The truth is..someone telling me "I wouldn't do that if I were you" gives me no information whatsoever as to why I shouldn't perform the action in question.

And yes I am 200 pounds, 2.5 cycles in..not 5.............not sure how you missed that, buuuuut whatever. (proves that you misinterpret the content of my posts or overlook it completely...then attack me)

take into account I got very sick after my first cycle and lost all of my gains..beyond my control

so Ive basically run 1.5 cycles (am halfway through my current one), and 200 pounds at 5'9 (most likely leaner than 12%, thought I would overstate it to avoid understating it) is more than decent.

So, while I respect your guy's knowledge...though you do not seem to be sharing it with me despite my asking for it, I am actually not being a douche or an asshole.




Oh and GMO, wayto take my post incorrectly and then call me an idiot over Pm, (im the asshole?) internet reputation doesn't matter so go ahead and keep "negging" me lmao..


anyways, The whole "low test high tren" is becoming a more popular method of cycling with tren.

I am asking for a compelling reason why I shouldn't run 2 19 nors together.

Again I apologize for my honesty, and for the way my posts sound. I respect the knowledge here, if I didnt I would have posted on some other site.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

did you seriously just say that? Lmao.. just when I thought highschool was over


anyways, I apologize that my honesty offended anyone, I was not trying to be offensive..


The truth is..someone telling me "I wouldn't do that if I were you" gives me no information whatsoever as to why I shouldn't perform the action in question.

And yes I am 200 pounds, 2.5 cycles in..not 5.............not sure how you missed that, buuuuut whatever. (proves that you misinterpret the content of my posts or overlook it completely...then attack me)

take into account I got very sick after my first cycle and lost all of my gains..beyond my control

so Ive basically run 1.5 cycles (am halfway through my current one), and 200 pounds at 5'9 (most likely leaner than 12%, thought I would overstate it to avoid understating it) is more than decent.

So, while I respect your guy's knowledge...though you do not seem to be sharing it with me despite my asking for it, I am actually not being a douche or an asshole.




Oh and GMO, wayto take my post incorrectly and then call me an idiot over Pm, (im the asshole?) internet reputation doesn't matter so go ahead and keep "negging" me lmao..


anyways, The whole "low test high tren" is becoming a more popular method of cycling with tren.

I am asking for a compelling reason why I shouldn't run 2 19 nors together.

Again I apologize for my honesty, and for the way my posts sound. I respect the knowledge here, if I didnt I would have posted on some other site.

You're still an idiot...honestly

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

boyfriend couldn't watch the notebook everynight and listen to you cry yourself to sleep.

Sloppy no u didn't

Originally Posted by GMO

You're still an idiot...honestly

Ok now that we got that out of the way, do you have anything useful to contribute?

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Ok now that we got that out of the way, do you have anything useful to contribute?

No but I do. You're a fag...incase you didn't catch that from my last post.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

And yes I am 200 pounds, 2.5 cycles in..not 5.............not sure how you missed that, buuuuut whatever. (proves that you misinterpret the content of my posts or overlook it completely...then attack me)

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

this will be my 5th cycle

Yeah I guess I just overlook everything.

...

Ok i will ask respectfully a few questions,

1. As sloppy stated your 5 cycles in during a one year period, but you say he doesn't understand your post, and thats not the case. Well i read your first post, and all of them, and it says "this will be my 5th cycle!" so?

2. You argue with everyone that has extensive knowledge and research, PLUS They have been doing this for years, not a year, almost as long as your age. Why do you start these threads?

3. Your 20, yes your done growing now, you may not have been but you fucked that up be starting gear at what 18, 19? So yes you may seem fine now, but you honestly only know what you google, you have no long term experience or true knowledge of the damage going on inside you, you probably think that since everything seems fine everything is fine. I hope your getting regular blood test covering everything, and have thought about the future. Because honestly man your attitude reflects your age, and is one of the main reasons your to young to do this. Hard work, proper diet, rest, understanding, education, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING PATIENCE! 1200 to 1400 mg of tren a week is unnecessary and stupid, keep it up and you will have kidney trouble by 35! This isn't meant to be an insult, and i will not post in your thread anymore, no point anyway!

3.

Originally Posted by GMO

There are a lot of issues with your proposed cycle. The most glaring being that you are going to run 600mg of both Nandrolone and Trenbolone a week. I would not do that if I were you.

I am uncomfortable laying out a cycle for you b/c you are only 21 years old. Sorry...

bump that! Seems we've had this conversation with you before. No one is trying to discourage you but at 21 and proposing to run 4 compounds at once and then to state you are trying to find something to ADD to that I think is the real problem. May I ask how many years of proper training and diet have you done BEFORE adding aas? Where is the foundation? So many bro's out there today think bodybuilding is ALL about the drugs.They are a tool for sure but not the most important thing at all. Try giving yourself a few years of reaching your genitic potential naturally first THEN add the aas as an additional tool to continue the journey. Adding them too soon will lesson the effect in the long run.

Thank you for not jumping on the "fag" train, I was beginning to lose faith in this forum.

1. As sloppy stated your 5 cycles in during a one year period, but you say he doesn't understand your post, and thats not the case. Well i read your first post, and all of them, and it says "this will be my 5th cycle!" so?

It will be my fifth cycle, I have not run it yet........ My bulking cycle (my next cycle) will be my fourth, I have also not run it yet either.

2. You argue with everyone that has extensive knowledge and research, PLUS They have been doing this for years, not a year, almost as long as your age. Why do you start these threads?

Please point out where I was arguing. I would contend that I was simply bring up valid points regarding hormones, aas, and their functions. If you can point out where I was arguing that would be very helpful.

3. Your 20, yes your done growing now, you may not have been but you fucked that up be starting gear at what 18, 19?
I am not sure I understand your question

I hope your getting regular blood test covering everything, and have thought about the future.
I do and everything always comes back normal/above average


Because honestly man your attitude reflects your age, and is one of the main reasons your to young to do this.
care to cite any specific examples? I am glad you are the one to say this instead of sloppj or that other guy.

Hard work, proper diet, rest, understanding, education, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING PATIENCE! 1200 to 1400 mg of tren a week is unnecessary and stupid, keep it up and you will have kidney trouble by 35!
Please show me research that indicates that tren causes kidney damage.



While you are respectful in your approach, you are making assertions that have no factual basis or evidence to support them.

Originally Posted by l69lou

bump that! Seems we've had this conversation with you before. No one is trying to discourage you but at 21 and proposing to run 4 compounds at once and then to state you are trying to find something to ADD to that I think is the real problem. May I ask how many years of proper training and diet have you done BEFORE adding aas? Where is the foundation? So many bro's out there today think bodybuilding is ALL about the drugs.They are a tool for sure but not the most important thing at all. Try giving yourself a few years of reaching your genitic potential naturally first THEN add the aas as an additional tool to continue the journey. Adding them too soon will lesson the effect in the long run.

I would say read my previous post, but since I am trying to avoid having everyone call me a fag for being rude or whatever it was, I will repeat myself..

I have been training very consistently and passionately for the past 6 years. Properly for the past 4

I suppose ill drop the Npp and just use the test tren and winstrol...



though it had nothing to do with what anyone said here. This has truly been an eye-opening and shameful display of the juvenile natures of several of the "vets" have here.

I will not be looking for advice here again, I suppose i will just stick to what I know and refrain from experimenting until I gain a greater understanding of Npp and its long estered brother.

I hold no ill will toward any of the posters here, but I invite you to reread my posts, then yours, and if you are not the slightest bit embarrassed, perhaps some self-evaluation would be prudent.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

I would say read my previous post, but since I am trying to avoid having everyone call me a fag for being rude or whatever it was, I will repeat myself..

I have been training very consistently and passionately for the past 6 years. Properly for the past 4

Pictures or I'm going to think that this what your 4 years of training has gotten you:

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Thank you for not jumping on the "fag" train, I was beginning to lose faith in this forum.

1. As sloppy stated your 5 cycles in during a one year period, but you say he doesn't understand your post, and thats not the case. Well i read your first post, and all of them, and it says "this will be my 5th cycle!" so?

It will be my fifth cycle, I have not run it yet........ My bulking cycle (my next cycle) will be my fourth, I have also not run it yet either.

2. You argue with everyone that has extensive knowledge and research, PLUS They have been doing this for years, not a year, almost as long as your age. Why do you start these threads?

Please point out where I was arguing. I would contend that I was simply bring up valid points regarding hormones, aas, and their functions. If you can point out where I was arguing that would be very helpful.

3. Your 20, yes your done growing now, you may not have been but you fucked that up be starting gear at what 18, 19?
I am not sure I understand your question

I hope your getting regular blood test covering everything, and have thought about the future.
I do and everything always comes back normal/above average


Because honestly man your attitude reflects your age, and is one of the main reasons your to young to do this.
care to cite any specific examples? I am glad you are the one to say this instead of sloppj or that other guy.

Hard work, proper diet, rest, understanding, education, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING PATIENCE! 1200 to 1400 mg of tren a week is unnecessary and stupid, keep it up and you will have kidney trouble by 35!
Please show me research that indicates that tren causes kidney damage.



While you are respectful in your approach, you are making assertions that have no factual basis or evidence to support them.

Ok you cleared up your cycle history, that good. Number 3 b as you put it, was a statement more than a question, but the proposed question could be have you read research on the male body and the endocrine system, specifically at what age growth stops and the impact aas can have before your natural growth has peaked.
In response to Vets, you always put some info up instead of taking their advice and asking questions politely. If that is your intent then you need to work on your wording i-e the way you present yourself. Because in reading your post your replies seem very sarcastic and arrogant.
Now were do you think tren puts its stress on the body. So yes their is no exact science to tren, mainly because it is not used in humans and hasn't been much research on the impact of tren on the human body. But i do know its impact on bp and what high bp means. Honestly regardless of what youve read your close minded if you think tren isn't doing damage to your kidneys, almost every aas puts stress on kidneys, especially at high doses. Anyway do what you will, i am not writing anymore about this.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

I suppose ill drop the Npp and just use the test tren and winstrol...



though it had nothing to do with what anyone said here. This has truly been an eye-opening and shameful display of the juvenile natures of several of the "vets" have here.

I will not be looking for advice here again, I suppose i will just stick to what I know and refrain from experimenting until I gain a greater understanding of Npp and its long estered brother.

I hold no ill will toward any of the posters here, but I invite you to reread my posts, then yours, and if you are not the slightest bit embarrassed, perhaps some self-evaluation would be prudent.

That's because the "vets" on this forum will not give cycle advice to a 21 year old. You are too young to be running gear. I don't care that you have already started and ran 2 cycles, or 5 cycles or whatever the real number is. You would best be served to stay off the juice and hope and pray that your endocrine system bounces back.

That being said, you are a 21 year-old know-it-all, who is not going to yield to sound advice. So fuck it...run your jacked up cycle, and when your old, short, fat and have ED don't cry to anyone that "steroids did this to me". Your inexperience, stubbornness and lack of proper research did it to you.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

It will be my fifth cycle, I have not run it yet........ My bulking cycle (my next cycle) will be my fourth, I have also not run it yet either.

You're planning out 3 cycles in advance and yet you still can't break 200lbs. You need to work on a LOT of things before you do that. Why would you even want to have cycles planned out years in advance? That's retarded.

I am not sure I understand your question

Dont be a smartass. You know what he meant. You had the potential to keep growing without gear. Probably to way over the 200 mark. But you dicked that up when you started running gear at 19 or 20 or 12 or whenever the fuck you started.


I do and everything always comes back normal/above average
Post em up. I highly doubt that you've had one single test.


care to cite any specific examples? I am glad you are the one to say this instead of sloppj or that other guy.

You are acting immature. You've ran 1 or 2 shitty ass cycles with tren over a gram a week and think you know it all. You come in here with this attitude that you're better than everyone. I can honestly say that I understand why people don't like kids cycling. But myself, I will never bash anyone like that because I started at 22. But at least I was respectful enough to do at least a year of research and understand the basics well enough to come ask informed questions. And luckily I've had the help of a few really good guys that have even posted in this thread.

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Originally Posted by GMO

That's because the "vets" on this forum will not give cycle advice to a 21 year old. You are too young to be running gear. I don't care that you have already started and ran 2 cycles, or 5 cycles or whatever the real number is. You would best be served to stay off the juice and hope and pray that your endocrine system bounces back.

That being said, you are a 21 year-old know-it-all, who is not going to yield to sound advice. So fuck it...run your jacked up cycle, and when your old, short, fat and have ED don't cry to anyone that "steroids did this to me". Your inexperience, stubbornness and lack of proper research did it to you.

^^x10000

I'm done with this kid.

Originally Posted by GMO

That's because the "vets" on this forum will not give cycle advice to a 21 year old. You are too young to be running gear. I don't care that you have already started and ran 2 cycles, or 5 cycles or whatever the real number is. You would best be served to stay off the juice and hope and pray that your endocrine system bounces back.

That being said, you are a 21 year-old know-it-all, who is not going to yield to sound advice. So fuck it...run your jacked up cycle, and when your old, short, fat and have ED don't cry to anyone that "steroids did this to me". Your inexperience, stubbornness and lack of proper research did it to you.

My endocrine system has recovered after my first two cycles, or at least that is what the bloodwork claimed.

Old, fat, and short? Well..becoming old is an inevitability..steroids won't do that to me.

Short..you know nothing about me, therefore you do not know that my mother is 5' and my dad is 5'11. I tend to take after my mother, so 5'9 is pretty much the best I could have hoped for. I may seem arrogant, but you are certainly ignorant, among a plethora of other things.

Fat.. surely you jest. If I were to somehow shut down my hpta, I would simply blast and cruise. The beauty of the human body is there is always a way out when it comes to these sorts of things..


once again, you have proven yourself to be aggressive to the point where you forget your lacking of understanding. You know nothing about me, yet you make numerous assertions.



Anyways, spring cutting cycle (my 5th) will be what was originally stated, minus the Npp.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

^^x10000

I'm done with this kid.

You should have never posted in this thread. I was asking for advice from steroid users..

you dont even use steroids so why are you here?



regardless, mods please close/lock/delete this thread.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Weeks 1-8
Test prop 70mg a week
Tren ace 600mg a week
Npp 600mg a week
Winstrol oral 100mg a day

Adex.on hand
Caber .5mg 2x a week

Pct nolva 40/40/20/20

Advice needed

Double the test prop and cut the tren in half. Winny is pretty high for 8 weeks but doable.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Double the test prop and cut the tren in half. Winny is pretty high for 8 weeks but doable.

Tyvm sir

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Tyvm sir

NP

I ran a replacement dose of T (150mg prop weekly) back in April with 350mg Tren Ace weekly. I liked that combo very much. I was running winny tabs as well.

Thats what I'm running now... a very powerful and simple stack if your nutrition is in check it'll take you far.

-T

Originally Posted by heavyiron

NP

I ran a replacement dose of T (150mg prop weekly) back in April with 350mg Tren Ace weekly. I liked that combo very much. I was running winny tabs as well.

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

my diet is currently very strict

meal 1 either 8 oz chicken/lean beef + spinach

meal 2 same

meal 3 same

meal 4 8 oz chicken plus .5 cup brown rice (preworkout)

meal 5 (post workout drink) .25 gallon fat free chocolate milk

meal 6 same as 1

meal 7 same as 1 but with smaller portions

I have been training consistently for 5 years

i do an hour of cardio every day except sunday

when I begin bulking I will reduce cardio and add in carbs... \

Even if you are doing a cut cycle, you'll be needing more carbs for sure. Unless you are close to a contest, then add some carbs to fuel your workouts. ESPECIALLY if you truly are doing an hour of cardio a day.

Maybe add in some fish as well, for a variety of fats.