Thread: Proposed cutting cycle

that 70mg a week of test is a typo right? im assuming 700mg right? or 70mg per day?
looks good to me, maybe do 750mg test if you can handle it, which im guessing you can judging by your tren dosage
id also go with aromasin instead of adex

Not a typo. I run a trt dose.of test to avoid side effects from tren. Running over a gram of ace a week for the past montj with low test, no sides to speak of.

You dont see any problem stacking 2 19nors?

Running two 19-nors at once, using only Nolva for PCT, 70mg test prop, 21 yo,...bro, yes...you do need some advice.

I would first start by reading the rules and guidelines of the board first.
Cycle Advice

After you have read these guidelines, read this thread...
First Cycle and PCT

If you don't include your stats in your next post, your thread will be closed. We have been having lots of newbies starting threads like this. How can we help if we don't know your stats? Think about it...you want blind advice on such a delicate subject?

Trying to plan out a cycle? READ THIS



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Running two 19-nors at once, using only Nolva for PCT, 70mg test prop, 21 yo,...bro, yes...you do need some advice.

I would first start by reading the rules and guidelines of the board first.
Cycle Advice

After you have read these guidelines, read this thread...
First Cycle and PCT

If you don't include your stats in your next post, your thread will be closed. We have been having lots of newbies starting threads like this. How can we help if we don't know your stats? Think about it...you want blind advice on such a delicate subject?

Trying to plan out a cycle? READ THIS



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my apologies, that was written from my phone, now that I have access to a PC I will be able to write what you are wanting.


Stats

21

5'9 200 ~12% body fat

this will be my 5th cycle

Previous cycles

1st
8 weeks
test prop 100mg ED
4 weeks dbol 50mg ED
adex .5mg EOD
nolva 40/40/20/20

2nd
4 weeks
test prop tren ace masteron prop 525 a week each 100mg Tbol ED
4 weeks test prop 100mg a week with 1 gram of tren ace and 100mg winstrol ED
adex .25 mg EOD
nolva 40/40/20/20

Current
weeks 1-8
test prop 70mg a week
tren ace 1200mg a week
adex on hand
caber on hand
pct nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

Notes about cycle: not feeling any side effects, wake up with erection every morning and have a significant increase in libido despite the high tren low test. Gear is axio brand from regenxxl. was supposed to be using dbol but napsgear failed on my package, so that's life.

next cycle bulking

weeks 1-8
test prop 70mg a week (this is subject to change, will likely increase if napsgear comes through with my package)
tren ace 600mg a week
anadrol 100mg ED
winstrol 50mg ED
caber .5mg 2x a week
adex on hand (will be used if test increases)

cutting cycle (in question)
I am not necessarily concerned with running two 19 nors at the same time, as the total dosage is actually less than the total tren ace I am running (have gone up to 1400mg a week).

I have run long pcts in the past (6 weeks), but I am not necessarily concerned with having to blast and cruise even though I am only 21.

thank you for your response victor, is there any merit to the whole "don't run two 19 nor's at the same time"? seems kinda like broscience to me.



my diet is currently very strict

meal 1 either 8 oz chicken/lean beef + spinach

meal 2 same

meal 3 same

meal 4 8 oz chicken plus .5 cup brown rice (preworkout)

meal 5 (post workout drink) .25 gallon fat free chocolate milk

meal 6 same as 1

meal 7 same as 1 but with smaller portions

I have been training consistently for 5 years

my split is

monday: chest lateral delts triceps
tuesday back thickness biceps forearms
wednesday off
thursday shoulders and back width
friday arms and forearms
saturday legs (heavy squat emphasis) and deadlifts (both conventional and romanian)
sunday off

i do an hour of cardio every day except sunday

when I begin bulking I will reduce cardio and add in carbs... and lots of cottage cheese before bed but other than that diet will likely stay very much the same

This is so wrong i dont even know where to start!

Originally Posted by kyum

This is so wrong i dont even know where to start!

then why did you post?

Progesterone issues aside, what is the real value of running 2 19 Nors together? Tren is the stronger if the two. If joint pain relief is the reason you want to add nandro, I would say that tren will negate it because the increase in strength will lead to heavier weight which will lead to more strain on the joints. And once you come off is when you will really feel it.

Originally Posted by KUVinny

Progesterone issues aside, what is the real value of running 2 19 Nors together? Tren is the stronger if the two. If joint pain relief is the reason you want to add nandro, I would say that tren will negate it because the increase in strength will lead to heavier weight which will lead to more strain on the joints. And once you come off is when you will really feel it.

I have caber on hand to deal with prolactin, though I am uncertain if I will need it.

As I said before, I am currently running low test with over a gram of tren ace, I am not using adex or caber anymore as they do not appear to be necessary. Prolactin can only cause gyno in the presence of a moderate-high level of circulating estrogen. Since I am not using a high level of aromatizable aas, i doubt I will have any difficulties.

Doesn't winstrol help with progesterone? I am not counting on it by any means.. but I hear it a lot, probably broscience.

The whole 2 19 nor thing sounds a lot like "orals will kill your liver" . Id like to know if there is any science

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

The whole 2 19 nor thing sounds a lot like "orals will kill your liver" . Id like to know if there is any science

This is a very long ongoing debate over this. Search around and you will find many different opinions on the matter.

I for one don't run two 19s at the same time, I have in the past and PCT was a bitch. I also don't condone the use of nolva with a 19-nor, unless it's being used to combat gyno that you all ready have. Aromasin and Clomid are all you really need for PCT.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

This is a very long ongoing debate over this. Search around and you will find many different opinions on the matter.

I for one don't run two 19s at the same time, I have in the past and PCT was a bitch. I also don't condone the use of nolva with a 19-nor, unless it's being used to combat gyno that you all ready have. Aromasin and Clomid are all you really need for PCT.



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I have searched about it, many people say not to use 2 19 nors at the same time, but i have heard no compelling reason why I shouldnt..

Im really just looking for something to add to the cycle..

I am definitely going to keep the test, tren, and winstrol, and at the mentioned dosages.

I wanted to include something else, it would have been masteron, but that is waaaay too pricy, and I feel the effects would not be worth the price. Plus I already have a dht derivative in there

Npp seemed to be the only thing that could be included that would provide an extra benefit.


while I know to never combine nolva with progestins, as it upregulates the progesterone receptors, I have never had any difficulty having my hpta recovery with just nolva.

Can we get before and after pix from u running a gram of tren?

Originally Posted by Mooksman

Can we get before and after pix from u running a gram of tren?

no, but I will tell you this, high tren with low test will harden you up and make you gain strength. It is great for body recomp but not much else..



I was planning on adding an oral to act synergistically with the tren, but naps failed me etc etc..


If you want to get the most out of a tren cycle (or any cycle for that matter) use orals

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

Weeks 1-8
Test prop 70mg a week
Tren ace 600mg a week
Npp 600mg a week
Winstrol oral 100mg a day

Adex.on hand
Caber .5mg 2x a week

Pct nolva 40/40/20/20

Advice needed

Looks good bro. Enjoy

You've heard not to combine 2 19nors, but you havnt heard to run test dose 2x that of tren and deca? You're gonna have serious ED problems

Originally Posted by LightBearer

You're gonna have serious ED problems

tell that to the raging hard on i get whenever i see an attractive girl

Originally Posted by LightBearer

You've heard not to combine 2 19nors, but you havnt heard to run test dose 2x that of tren and deca? You're gonna have serious ED problems

Won't the caber help that?

Originally Posted by crazyotter

Looks good bro. Enjoy

thanks bro, i am inclined to agree with you that it looks good



however, everyone else seems to be unconvinced...not exactly sure why though

Originally Posted by LightBearer

You've heard not to combine 2 19nors, but you havnt heard to run test dose 2x that of tren and deca? You're gonna have serious ED problems

the point is dont believe everything you read.. ive heard from people who have run tren without any test that their sex drive was higher than normal. keep an open mind.

what about using clomid in pct instead/with nolva??

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

thanks bro, i am inclined to agree with you that it looks good



however, everyone else seems to be unconvinced...not exactly sure why though

I normally run tren @ 700-900 a week and test prop @ 700 a week.

I've never run deca tho

Originally Posted by boomerjones

the point is dont believe everything you read.. ive heard from people who have run tren without any test that their sex drive was higher than normal. keep an open mind.

what about using clomid in pct instead/with nolva??

clomid makes me very emotionally fragile

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

clomid makes me very emotionally fragile

Same here. I get teary eyed for stupid shit on tv! Lol

Then I have to go punch a old lady in the head to prove I'm still a man!!

Originally Posted by boomerjones

the point is dont believe everything you read.. ive heard from people who have run tren without any test that their sex drive was higher than normal. keep an open mind.

what about using clomid in pct instead/with nolva??

Point taken bc I'm not buyin a word of this
Run that cycle and let us know what happens, good luck

Originally Posted by LightBearer

Point taken bc I'm not buyin a word of this

of what?

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

of what?

That its untrue that its asking for trouble running high doses of tren and nandrolone with no test

I don't know about Tren but Deca can cause ED problems, you might get A raging hard on but right when your getting it on your shit go's limp, thats the worst feeling ever, blue balls and all, happened to me with just 400mg of deca a week with 800mg of test. be carfull bro 19nor sides suck id just run the one or the other JMO... Victor know his stuff bro he is one of the top vets to lean from around here

Originally Posted by chucky1

I don't know about Tren but Deca can cause ED problems, you might get A raging hard on but right when your getting it on your shit go's limp, thats the worst feeling ever, blue balls and all, happened to me with just 400mg of deca a week with 800mg of test. be carfull bro 19nor sides suck id just run the one or the other JMO... Victor know his stuff bro he is one of the top vets to lean from around here

Right.

I suppose I will go where none have ventured, and then leave a path

Originally Posted by Standard Donkey

then why did you post?

I posted that to make a point that your cycle is messed up.

and the reason i did not bother to put anytime into any advice is because this entire thread is full of experience guys telling you not to do it and you end all that great advice with. I guess ill tread where no one has gone.

So basically you ignored all advice, your focused on doing it your way regardless of what others say about how its not right!

Regardless best of luck, maybe venturing off the path will be an adventure for ya!