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MJ23 · 01-21-2003, 12:48 PM

Fellows,

I am about to start a cycle of Sust/Dbol. My question is on the BF%. I am not quite sure where mine is, but I am definitely around the 20percent mark.

What is the optimal BF range to start such a cycle, or any for all its worth.
I know buddies of mine that suffered when their BF was high?
but

What are the implications of starting such a cycle with a high BF

cornfed · 01-21-2003, 01:38 PM

for bulking up, I say you get down to at least 14-15. The risks are the increased bodyfat will start from a higher point. And many believe that this leads to more or more serious estrogenic sides.

Dbol could make you hold alot of water

**Mudge** · 01-21-2003, 01:47 PM

Alot of people like to be 14% approximately or less, because bulkers like to eat freely for maximal gains. Bulk/cut/bulk/cut is the somewhat normal way of doing things.

Some use test to cut even, but with test/dbol you will hold water, so you may not feel all that cut.

cornfed · 01-21-2003, 01:53 PM

until about 2weeks post cycle

If you keep your diet clean, you can gain a better % lean tissue and thereby reduce bf%... but that's a tricky b*tch

MJ23 · 01-21-2003, 03:09 PM

Cornfed - Mudge thanks for the input

I am probably better off by reducing that BF down before starting the cycle,

DO you guys now see why I want to pop those so called clen pills for breakfast

**Mudge** · 01-22-2003, 12:03 AM

If you keep your diet pretty clean, get lots of protein and try not to raise the calories until needed, you may do ok. So, its really up to you.

justfina · 01-25-2003, 11:37 AM

You might want to add some tren..

No Spam pleez

crackerjack414 · 01-25-2003, 01:46 PM

if estrogenic fat is an issue use novedex or armidex through out. BUt i agrea its all about diet when bulking or cutting u can stay releativly lean if you eat clean

cornfed · 01-27-2003, 06:08 PM

agreed.

But just as a reminder... NEVER start a cycle when you are unsure about your ability to keep up post cycle on diet and training!!! I lost 6 hard-earned lbs from my last go @ gaining

01-21-2003, 12:48 PM	#1
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01-21-2003, 01:38 PM	#2
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	for bulking up, I say you get down to at least 14-15. The risks are the increased bodyfat will start from a higher point. And many believe that this leads to more or more serious estrogenic sides. Dbol could make you hold alot of water
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-21-2003, 01:47 PM	#3
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	Alot of people like to be 14% approximately or less, because bulkers like to eat freely for maximal gains. Bulk/cut/bulk/cut is the somewhat normal way of doing things. Some use test to cut even, but with test/dbol you will hold water, so you may not feel all that cut.
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01-21-2003, 01:53 PM	#4
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	until about 2weeks post cycle If you keep your diet clean, you can gain a better % lean tissue and thereby reduce bf%... but that's a tricky b*tch
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-21-2003, 03:09 PM	#5
MJ23 World's Greatest Lovea Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pimpville Posts: 2,125	Cornfed - Mudge thanks for the input I am probably better off by reducing that BF down before starting the cycle, DO you guys now see why I want to pop those so called clen pills for breakfast
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01-22-2003, 12:03 AM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,053 Photos: 1	If you keep your diet pretty clean, get lots of protein and try not to raise the calories until needed, you may do ok. So, its really up to you.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-25-2003, 11:37 AM	#7
justfina Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	You might want to add some tren.. No Spam pleez Last edited by cornfed : 01-25-2003 at 11:42 PM.
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01-25-2003, 01:46 PM	#8
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	if estrogenic fat is an issue use novedex or armidex through out. BUt i agrea its all about diet when bulking or cutting u can stay releativly lean if you eat clean

01-27-2003, 06:08 PM	#9
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	agreed. But just as a reminder... NEVER start a cycle when you are unsure about your ability to keep up post cycle on diet and training!!! I lost 6 hard-earned lbs from my last go @ gaining
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

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