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Old 01-21-2003, 12:48 PM   #1
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Fellows,

I am about to start a cycle of Sust/Dbol. My question is on the BF%. I am not quite sure where mine is, but I am definitely around the 20percent mark.

What is the optimal BF range to start such a cycle, or any for all its worth.
I know buddies of mine that suffered when their BF was high?
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What are the implications of starting such a cycle with a high BF



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for bulking up, I say you get down to at least 14-15. The risks are the increased bodyfat will start from a higher point. And many believe that this leads to more or more serious estrogenic sides. Dbol could make you hold alot of water



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Alot of people like to be 14% approximately or less, because bulkers like to eat freely for maximal gains. Bulk/cut/bulk/cut is the somewhat normal way of doing things.

Some use test to cut even, but with test/dbol you will hold water, so you may not feel all that cut.



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until about 2weeks post cycle If you keep your diet clean, you can gain a better % lean tissue and thereby reduce bf%... but that's a tricky b*tch



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Cornfed - Mudge thanks for the input

I am probably better off by reducing that BF down before starting the cycle,

DO you guys now see why I want to pop those so called clen pills for breakfast



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If you keep your diet pretty clean, get lots of protein and try not to raise the calories until needed, you may do ok. So, its really up to you.



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You might want to add some tren..

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if estrogenic fat is an issue use novedex or armidex through out. BUt i agrea its all about diet when bulking or cutting u can stay releativly lean if you eat clean
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agreed.

But just as a reminder... NEVER start a cycle when you are unsure about your ability to keep up post cycle on diet and training!!! I lost 6 hard-earned lbs from my last go @ gaining



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