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**banker23** · 10-17-2011, 10:05 AM

Okay I am playing the waiting game for a few weeks (hopefully no longer) and want to kind of throw my plan out here for comment. This will be my first AAS cycle (did a PH before with good results) and also my first time ever injecting myself. Here goes:

I plan to start injecting on a Thursday which is my day off to give me plenty of time to follow the instructions especially for mixing the HCG. I will shoot on Thursdays and Mondays plan on shooting the test 250 into the glute and the hcg near the navel subq. Should I start with 250iu on the HCG and dial it up to 500iu if I start to notice shrinkage? Swale recommends 250-500 but I want to start with the right amount. In other words, is there any reason 500iu would be bad versus 250 because 500 is probably what I am going to do?

I will start dbol on the same day I inject for the first time: 10mg with breakfast, 10mg with lunch, and 20 mg with pre workout meal. 4 weeks as a kicker only. Will be drinking at least a gallon and half of water all through this cycle.

Will start aromasin at 12.5 mg eod at first on day 1 and increase it to 25mg eod if sides start to show. I have enough aromasin I could do 25ed if necessary but I do not think I should need it...I've not been side prone so far. I have caber as a backup emergency anti gyno just in case; hope not to need it.

I plan to quit HCG injections a week after last test injection and run aromasin up until day before PCT which will consist of torem 120 3days/90 4 days/60 2 weeks/30 last week and primordial performance trs (which I used with their AM/AH cycle earlier this year)

cycle is 12 weeks plus about two weeks to clear and 4 weeks pct so a total of about 18 weeks start to finish. I posted my diet and training and stats in the new member area so I will leave it off here in the interest of brevity. I appreciate any suggestions or tips that might be helpful. I will be using some youtube clips that I found to kind of help with mixing and shooting.

taking the next couple weeks before starting to cut down on bf by just running a slight cal deficit and limiting carbs. I will do a few intermittent fast days as well where I only eat huge meal first thing in the morning on Mondays and Saturdays

**Vibrant** · 10-17-2011, 10:10 AM

First off, please list your stats. I prefer clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 for pct. Other than that everything looks ok.

**VictorZ06** · 10-17-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by banker23

I posted my diet and training and stats in the new member area so I will leave it off here in the interest of brevity.

No, post them here. Other members shouldn't have to go fish to find your stats. Post em, and we'll help the best we can bro.

/V

**banker23** · 10-17-2011, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

No, post them here. Other members shouldn't have to go fish to find your stats. Post em, and we'll help the best we can bro.

/V

that makes sense...here goes:

I am 38 years old this month and weigh 244 lbs as of this morning at 5'10".

training philosophy: focus on the big compound lifts and train 4 days a week using a 5x5 strategy to increase strength. I have been lifting since I was in high school in California where weight training was offered as an elective. I weighed 140lbs when I turned 19 and weight training has always been part of my life though I went into a doldrum from about 2003-2007 (depression from moving to the midwest from California mostly).

Anyway, have increased weight and strength quite a bit using natural training and diet principles

lifting stats (5 rep maxes, i don't do 1reps [on purpose]):

bench press 295x5 for 3 sets
squats 500x5 for three sets (last set burnout 8-10 reps)
shoulder press 210x5 for three sets
deadlift (most neglected lift until recently) 310x5 for three sets

I am able to increase each lift about 5lbs every 3-4 weeks. For instance I am working with 300lbs on bench right now and have failed the last two weeks to complete all three sets at 5 reps. Once I succeed, I will increase to 305 and start over again.

deadlifts are progressing every week because I have not focused on that and its like its catching up with the rest of me. I don't plan to increase squats anymore to avoid injury...just focus on reps and form.

this years strength goals are to surpass 320 for 3 sets of 5 reps on bench and shoulder press 230 for three sets of 5 reps. maybe hit 400 on the deadlift at least.

did my first prohormone cycle ever this year pp's andromass and androhard and finished PCT about 5 weeks ago. Kept gains and actually kept adding slowly through PCT by focusing on eating a ton and continued heavy lifting. starting weight was 224 and ending was 245 and all lifts were improved substantially.

planning test e 12 week cycle at 500 a week with dbol 4 week kicker at 40mg a day. Already bought ancillaries, aromasin, torem, cabergoline, hcg and hcg pins. Plan to buy the hard stuff before end of this month to hopefully start DEC 1. If all goes well on this cycle, planning an identical one with 600mg weekly primo late in 2012.

Goals of this cycle are to prime first by getting bf% around 15% (body weight down to about 228-232) then get back up over 250 with the dbol and test e. I think that's reasonable for me since I gained 19 on the PH. I would expect to do better on real gear especially these ones. I will be training to increase my strength beyond my goals so when all is said and done, I will be lifting my targeted goals and finish up at about 240 lbs and between 15-19% bf (my abs are reasonably visible in the low 20's so this is really good for me).

Looking forward to logging my cycle here...I am leaning toward genshi labs all i need now is the dbol test e and some pins for drawing and shooting...

So now everyone knows me hope to have alot of fun over the next year or so!

**longworthb** · 10-17-2011, 12:36 PM

there's no need for the caber if your only running test and dbol

**banker23** · 10-17-2011, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by longworthb

there's no need for the caber if your only running test and dbol

it's just there for an emergency. i don't plan on using it. Thanks.

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