First Cycle - Test

**In4mation** · 10-21-2011, 09:52 PM

So for my first cycle I wanted to do something easy and simple and make sure that I do it right

how does this look .. want it simple , easy , safe as possible and gains can vary

10-12 weeks of test at 500mg week not increasing( what i researched ..not sure if test e or the other test, some help would be appreciated test e i assume )

for PCT im not too sure but ive read clomid is the best for this???

seen something like 100mg clomid 45 days but ive also seen stuff for like 3 weeks ..etc

and I also need an AI correct like aromasine or arimadex

help would be appreciated : ) thanks

**Usealittle** · 10-22-2011, 12:51 AM

4-500mg test (any ester you want) for 10wks pinned 2x wk.

As for pct, I'm more on the side of takin it to 6wks not 4.... I like a anti-e with clomid from 100 droppin it to 50 after 3wks then 50 for the rest of the time.

**Night_Wolf** · 10-22-2011, 03:49 AM

IMO there's no need to take PCT for that cycle longer than 3 weeks.
100/50/50 Clomid + 25/12.5/12.5 Aromasin. Is just 500 mg of Test.

**In4mation** · 10-22-2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

IMO there's no need to take PCT for that cycle longer than 3 weeks.
100/50/50 Clomid + 25/12.5/12.5 Aromasin. Is just 500 mg of Test.

I want to be on the safe side and make sure I do not get any sides

**In4mation** · 10-22-2011, 08:22 AM

cant edit my posts? also saw a cycle like this

Wk 1-12 500mg test/wk....split into two injections a week that will maintain steady testosterone blood levels...i.e. 250mg/mon and 250mg/thur.
Wk1-14 Arimidex .5mgs E3D or EOD if you start getting estrogen issues
Wk15 nolva 40mg ed OR Clomid 100mgs ED
Wk16 nolva 30mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED
wk17 nolva 20mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED

**Night_Wolf** · 10-22-2011, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by In4mation

cant edit my posts? also saw a cycle like this

Wk 1-12 500mg test/wk....split into two injections a week that will maintain steady testosterone blood levels...i.e. 250mg/mon and 250mg/thur.
Wk1-14 Arimidex .5mgs E3D or EOD if you start getting estrogen issues
Wk15 nolva 40mg ed OR Clomid 100mgs ED
Wk16 nolva 30mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED
wk17 nolva 20mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED

That's what I told you...

**swollen** · 10-22-2011, 08:46 AM

Just take the nolva, if ur tits get tender, but the rest is fine. IMO

**In4mation** · 10-22-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

That's what I told you...

oh...haha well which do you recommend nolva or clomid , I havent checked the prices of nolva but clomid is eh

Originally Posted by swollen

Just take the nolva, if ur tits get tender, but the rest is fine. IMO

if your tits get tender in mid cycle is it ok to start nolva then? will it interfere with the test or is there a special way to take nolva mid cycle if you see gyno or something

**Usealittle** · 10-22-2011, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

IMO there's no need to take PCT for that cycle longer than 3 weeks.it's just 500mg Test.

.... I have to disagree with this^^^ some peoples bodys take longer then others to come back then others, you should know no everyones the same. After 3wks if I stop the pct I start to feel drained again. I say 4wks minimum for pct.

To OP, if you do a 4wks pct and don't feel back to 100% when you come off after 3-4 days of not takin you AIs then you need to get back on em! I tryed 4wks 2x (cuz everyone said so) with me knowing full well that I didn't fell ready to come off yet. Now it's 6wks every time.

Bottom line..... Don't fully come off till you feel ready.

**Mr.BTB** · 10-22-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Usealittle

.... I have to disagree with this^^^ some peoples bodys take longer then others to come back then others, you should know no everyones the same. After 3wks if I stop the pct I start to feel drained again. I say 4wks minimum for pct.

To OP, if you do a 4wks pct and don't feel back to 100% when you come off after 3-4 days of not takin you AIs then you need to get back on em! I tryed 4wks 2x (cuz everyone said so) with me knowing full well that I didn't fell ready to come off yet. Now it's 6wks every time.

Bottom line..... Don't fully come off till you feel ready.

LISTEN! to this. and also CLOMID! is way better than nolva for PCT! so use clomid.

p.s. if your anything like Usealittle you can sniff your testosterone and growl ike your on 100000000mg a week.

**Usealittle** · 10-22-2011, 09:36 AM

Come on bro, now I'm just getting fat! Lol, feel good to eat pizza and a gallon of milk every day. Gained 8lbs in just over 2wks.... Almost better then most aas iv used!

As for what mr said... Nolva is not the best choice for pct.... Only time I use nolva is if gyno blows up just to get it under control then switch it out for exeamstane.

IMO, too much nolva suck and it WILL put the breaks on your cycle if you take to much.

**Mr.BTB** · 10-22-2011, 09:41 AM

lol true man! pizza and milk is killa!

Nolva for gyno blow ups and clomid for PCT. end of story!

**Usealittle** · 10-22-2011, 09:44 AM

If I knew how to rep somebody I would.... ^^^^ truth.

**In4mation** · 10-22-2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

lol true man! pizza and milk is killa!

Nolva for gyno blow ups and clomid for PCT. end of story!

wait whats so bad about milk during a cycle????? something i didnt come across researching

**Mr.BTB** · 10-22-2011, 09:58 AM

nothing is bad about milk in a cycle brother.

when I say it is killa it is my aussie slang. Killa means Good/great here in Australia.

**In4mation** · 10-22-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BTB

nothing is bad about milk in a cycle brother.

when I say it is killa it is my aussie slang. Killa means Good/great here in Australia.

lol oh ok thanks for clearing that up...soooo pizza and milk is good XD..well by good i mean ok

**Usealittle** · 10-22-2011, 11:35 AM

If your trying to bulk yeah..... For stayin lean, not so much.

**Digitalash** · 10-22-2011, 02:57 PM

Hell yeah milk is good any time.

Agreed with everything though, I like having nolva on hand for the peace of mind, 10-20mg a day will stop gyno in its tracks if you start getting symptoms. Your AI is the first line of defense though and nolva should only be used as backup.

I think you'd be ok using an oral kickstart like dbol, that is up to you though. And I like the idea of having extra clomid on hand so you can extend your pct if you don't feel recoverd. 4 weeks is definitely the minimum but feel free to go 6 if you feel you need it. I would only use 100mg clomid the first 1-2 weeks. From what I've read 50mg is just as good for recovery with less side effects, using 100mg at the start is just to help get your blood levels up faster, then drop to 50mg for the remainder of your pct.

This part is entirely my opinion, but if you like grab some extra test or some dbol. Towards the end of my first cycle gains started to come very slow, and many reccomend upping your dosage or adding a compound to overcome the effects of myostatin. I know you want to keep it simple, but upping your dose to say 700mg around week 7-8 is easy enough and shouldn't give you any noticeable increase in side effects. Again just my opinion and I'm sure others will say not to do this your first cycle, but I don't see it being any more dangerous than running dbol your first time.

**heckler7** · 10-22-2011, 03:10 PM

yo whats your stats, age, weight, bodyfat, height, years lifting?

**In4mation** · 10-23-2011, 06:20 PM

Wk 1-12 500mg test/wk....split into two injections a week that will maintain steady testosterone blood levels...i.e. 250mg/mon and 250mg/thur.
Wk1-14 Arimidex .5mgs E3D or EOD if you start getting estrogen issues
Wk15 nolva 40mg ed OR Clomid 100mgs ED
Wk16 nolva 30mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED
wk17 nolva 20mg ed OR Clomid 50mgs ED

ok so for the AI which is better if you think your more susceptible to gyno ..my chest has a bit of fat and not too shapely so might not notice gyno unless tits get tender or something so should i be taking it EOD?

btw:

has anyone here used world pharma? does this site have good quality test ? opinions?trying to buy online at one these affiliates

dont know if your allowed to discuss so send me PM of your site : ) !

**In4mation** · 10-24-2011, 11:34 AM

asapbump

**VictorZ06** · 10-24-2011, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by heckler7

yo whats your stats, age, weight, bodyfat, height, years lifting?

This would help, post all your stats please....

/V

**squigader** · 10-24-2011, 03:16 PM

Post stats. I would suggest you be below 15% bodyfat already if you want to start cycling, you're more at risk for sides the higher your bodyfat is.

Worldpharma is a sponsor, so they're good to go.

**In4mation** · 10-24-2011, 06:03 PM

age : 23

weight : 160lb
bodyfat: idk never measured it

height : 5'7

yrs lifting : 6 yrs. 4 seriously ( changed my appearance drastically.....drastically )

so can anyone answer my previous post

**In4mation** · 10-25-2011, 05:58 PM

what about moving down to 250mg test weekly..and dont tell me its ineffective because I want to see how my body copes with it

The Truth about Low Dose Cycles - SuperiorMuscle.com - Bodybuilding Forums shows low dose cycles work

**EATSCHILDREN** · 10-25-2011, 06:28 PM

That'd be fine, not a dramatic cycle but you'll notice it. Unless you've been castrated your body already has experience with test so it'll cope fine just fine. At 160 I still think you could make gains naturally unless you're an extreme ectomorph. What's your diet/training looking like?

**In4mation** · 10-28-2011, 10:21 AM

1 vial of test e should be enough shouldn't it 1 vial 10ml - 250mg/ml so i could go 10 weeks

my diet is fine dont feel like writing it out but training is stronglifts 5x5 and which product is the preferred AI

**WallsOfJericho** · 10-28-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by In4mation

1 vial of test e should be enough shouldn't it 1 vial 10ml - 250mg/ml so i could go 10 weeks

my diet is fine dont feel like writing it out but training is stronglifts 5x5 and which product is the preferred AI

1 vial = 5 weeks, gonna need 2 vials for10 weeks and if theyre underfilled then maybe 3 vials

**In4mation** · 10-29-2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by WallsOfJericho

1 vial = 5 weeks, gonna need 2 vials for10 weeks and if theyre underfilled then maybe 3 vials

wouldnt 5 weeks be if your going 500mg per week because 10ml of 250mg/ml??

**In4mation** · 10-31-2011, 08:40 AM

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