Thread: are all AAS the same and will it strengthen my heart since it's also a muscle?

how old are you? can you post your stats, weight, height, bf, ect...

I think most AAS will strengthen the heart, but I don't think that will help your situation. In most cases I would say you're fine, but I would be very very careful using AAS with a preexisting heart condition. TBH I don't know if I would chance it but I would do a ton of research first

I know Arnold had a heart valve problem. Not sure if it was MVP but he had a replacement. We all know how successful he was with aas. Having said that. I'd also be very cautious when your dealing with a heart condition. I'd research and ask other people with the condition. If you can, talk to your doc.

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Originally Posted by penisenvy

Do all AAS come from one source or does it vary and if other ingredients that other brands uses is tolerable by others and not to some? Which AAS product is more tolerable or are they all the same depending on milligrams/pill used or what source was used? I heard clenbuterol can cause a heart attack. I have a heart defect called Mitral Valve Prolapse and I'm trying to see if steroids or perhaps HGH can make my heart stronger. I don't take heart medications nor is there a medication for my condition, it's a defect not a virus or illness of sort. It can be repaired but I'm still young and feel fine. Just need to know if some AAS or HGH are heart friendly or perhaps make my heart stronger? It should, shouldn't it? It's a muscle after all...

You should not use any AAS unless you are in excellent health with no pre-existing health concerns. And yes, clen can most definitely cause a heart attack in high doses, or if you have any heart issues whatsoever.

Steroids are suspected of causing cardiac hypertrophy, which is an enlargement of the heart. But, unfortunately, the heart does not do better when it gets bigger, it actually decreases the hearts ability to fill up properly and that causes a decrease in cardiac output.
I use the term "suspected," because I don't think there is enough science yet. But, I would be extra cautious if a had a heart condition.
Additionally, aas increase risk factors for heart disease like high blood pressure and cholesterol. Although these are usually reversible by stopping use.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Steroids are suspected of causing cardiac hypertrophy, which is an enlargement of the heart. But, unfortunately, the heart does not do better when it gets bigger, it actually decreases the hearts ability to fill up properly and that causes a decrease in cardiac output.
I use the term "suspected," because I don't think there is enough science yet. But, I would be extra cautious if a had a heart condition.
Additionally, aas increase risk factors for heart disease like high blood pressure and cholesterol. Although these are usually reversible by stopping use.

so does lifting weights.. just sayin..

And so does lots of cardio, but There is a difference between exercise induced hypertrophy and chemical/damaged induced. As far as we know, exercise induced does not cause a decrease in function, but if it's caused by years of hypertension, it will dramatically decrease the hearts ability to pump blood.

If steroids were an effective means to help your situation don't you think they would already be prescribed by cardiologists? Leave any treatment to your physician, especially something as important as your heart.

What GMO said. Stay away.

DO NOT use steroids or clen. They are massive risks for people with any kind of heart defect or issue. This is coming from a forum that deals with bodybuilding and steroid talk - STAY AWAY IF YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF HEART DEFECT AND VALUE YOUR LIFE.

Sooooo

This is about the most depressing thread I've ever come across...

I too have mitral valve prolapse, but I've never read anything which says to stay away from steroids because of it. I'm literally waiting to start my first cycle next Saturday (Test C 500mg/w). I have purchased everything I need to run it, including pins, PCT ancillaries, cycle support supp, EVERYTHING except I'm waiting on the hCG. I didn't think MVP would be an issue.

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Nobody's going to post up some evidence that suggests that doing aas w MVP is dangerous, were just commenting on aas and the heart in general.

I've seen a lot of echos, and most patients have at least a little mitral regurg.

I believe I have read in several medical journals that aas can cause abnormal enlargement of the left ventricle. Maybe someone can corroborate this?

i'm 28. 5'7" in height weigh about 150. Bodyfat I'm not sure about but I have a small gut when I sit down but standing up make my 6 packs visible. My heart valve problem was diagnosed when I was about 18 or 19 years old. I feel ok. It was a quick diagnosis through a stethoscope. I didn't get a second opinion because I was told it was nothing major, 2% of the population has it, most don't know it or show no symptoms. Past issues I've had that could be related to this heart defect was panic attacks and heart palpitations, but now I control it since I know what the problem is, before, the panic attack controlled me. I've been lifting heavy weights since I was about 15 so I have experience.

Is HGH my best alternative if you think I should not get on AAS? I'm not trying to become a monster, just stronger. I'm actually happy at my weight but if HGH can improve my well being then I'll consider it. I used to weigh close to 200 pounds when I was in high school, I'm not too crazy about gaining that weight again. I was buff.

Originally Posted by chris42393

how old are you? can you post your stats, weight, height, bf, ect...

I think Arnold's heart issue was clogged arteries that could cause a heart attack if left without medical care.

Originally Posted by Bnjf

I know Arnold had a heart valve problem. Not sure if it was MVP but he had a replacement. We all know how successful he was with aas. Having said that. I'd also be very cautious when your dealing with a heart condition. I'd research and ask other people with the condition. If you can, talk to your doc.

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these haters might have a case of penis envy. but I wasn't really too crazy for AAS, just asking. I might lean more toward HGH, it seem much safer I think.

just understand that some drugs get witch hunted (marijuana, heroin, opium, etc.) though it also has beneficial uses to some outside of getting high.

Originally Posted by KJohnT

Sooooo

This is about the most depressing thread I've ever come across...

I too have mitral valve prolapse, but I've never read anything which says to stay away from steroids because of it. I'm literally waiting to start my first cycle next Saturday (Test C 500mg/w). I have purchased everything I need to run it, including pins, PCT ancillaries, cycle support supp, EVERYTHING except I'm waiting on the hCG. I didn't think MVP would be an issue.

Bump for input.

Penis envy? Bro what kind of a name is that?
As you know you heart is a muscle,and when using AAS your heart and valves can grow the same as any other muscle,
It will respond to cardiovascular endurance and to heavy lifting,
It challenge's the heart to pump more blood and oxegen to the muscle which is not going to make your heart stronger quite the opposite in the long run bro, Also it can cause in spike in bad collestrol which you may want to read up on man. Hope this helps mate. in other words juice is bad for your ticker.

regarding mitral valve prolapse. I wish you luck and let me know your progress and how you feel upon taking your cycle. I might be getting on the cycle as well, after you!

It's either AAS or HGH for me. I'm looking into HGH, seem like a better alternative to AAS, but not as effective into turning you into a "monster" or whatever. I'm re-searching sources on who has the best HGH around. Know of any? I'm U.S. based so I want a source that can ship to me. Another thing is I know HGH need to be refrigerated and I'm just wondering what happens to it while being mailed out to me since it's not in a fridge? I hope it does not go bad. I was told it requires to be refrigerated but not freezed.

Originally Posted by KJohnT

Sooooo

This is about the most depressing thread I've ever come across...

I too have mitral valve prolapse, but I've never read anything which says to stay away from steroids because of it. I'm literally waiting to start my first cycle next Saturday (Test C 500mg/w). I have purchased everything I need to run it, including pins, PCT ancillaries, cycle support supp, EVERYTHING except I'm waiting on the hCG. I didn't think MVP would be an issue.

Bump for input.

thanks for the advice. I'm just wondering if AAS has anything to do directly with the bad cholesterol spike? I thought it had something to do with eating meat and eggs since these food products are required for "bulking"?

Originally Posted by 9mm

Penis envy? Bro what kind of a name is that?
As you know you heart is a muscle,and when using AAS your heart and valves can grow the same as any other muscle,
It will respond to cardiovascular endurance and to heavy lifting,
It challenge's the heart to pump more blood and oxegen to the muscle which is not going to make your heart stronger quite the opposite in the long run bro, Also it can cause in spike in bad collestrol which you may want to read up on man. Hope this helps mate. in other words juice is bad for your ticker.

9mm said it correctly. And I believe that the spike in cholesterol is due to androgens affecting how the liver processes cholesterol.

But, of course a diet high in saturated fat and chestetol will raise your cholesterol too. Interestingly, saturated fat is more of a culprit than cholesterol.

Originally Posted by penisenvy

I think Arnold's heart issue was clogged arteries that could cause a heart attack if left without medical care.

No it was a congenital valve issue.