Thread: Protein shake before bed on cut?

No dude, I would say is a must, but be sure is a blend of protein or casein, not regular whey.
That or wolf down some cottage cheese.

Im allergic to some proteins (weather it be what active/inactive) ingredients so I stick to what I know wont make me have a attack from it, with that being said it is whey protein. Im not a fan of cottage cheese either.

With that being said I could try some casein protein, never have but I do know about it.

Whey before bed is useless, casein would be perfect, since is a slow digesting. There is no other choice. (in powder form)

Chicken/turkey would be a good choice also.

Whey before bed is useless? Really. Now how come?

To the OP, I eat a large dinner late in the evening when I'm cutting. I hate going to bed hungry. I'd rather skip breakfast and eat later in the day - so that's what I do.

If a whey shake agrees with you, go for it.

Whey won't provide any anti-catabolic effect.

Perfect combination would be casein+whey, this way you get anti-catabolic effect from casein and burst of quick amino acids from whey. (or just take milk protein isolate)

GymRat4Life are you afraid of getting fat or what?

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

Whey won't provide any anti-catabolic effect.

Perfect combination would be casein+whey, this way you get anti-catabolic effect from casein and burst of quick amino acids from whey. (or just take milk protein isolate)

GymRat4Life are you afraid of getting fat or what?

I'm cutting, so I don't want to add any fat obviously.

Originally Posted by GymRat4Life

I'm cutting, so I don't want to add any fat obviously.

Dawg don't be afraid of getting fat, is protein not carbs. If you don't eat/drink anything than you will have 8-9 hours of catabolic time while sleeping.

I can't sleep hungry, so I always have 1 scoop of whey +1 scoop of casein right before sleep. If i'm trying to cut, I mix it in water, if i'm bulking I mix it with 12-16oz. of whole milk.

Originally Posted by Night_Wolf

Whey won't provide any anti-catabolic effect.

Perfect combination would be casein+whey, this way you get anti-catabolic effect from casein and burst of quick amino acids from whey. (or just take milk protein isolate)

GymRat4Life are you afraid of getting fat or what?

Yes, it will actually...whey just digests a lot faster than casein. That's why your cottage cheese suggestion was right on. Cottage cheese has both Whey and Casein protein.

Personally, like Built, I also eat a large dinner 2 hours or so before bed to ensure that my body has amino acids in its bloodstream while I sleep.

Night_Wolf, why don't you believe whey is anti-catabolic? What food property is missing?

As an aside on the relative speeds of protein:

Biggest protein myths debunked

Alan Aragon writes:
"A thorough literature review by Bilsborough and Mann compiled data from studies by various investigators who measured the absorption rates of various protein sources [6]. Oddly, an amino acid mixture designed to mimic the composition of pork tenderloin made the top spot, at 10 g/hour, while whey took a close second at 8-10 g/hour. Other proteins fell in their respective spots below the top two, with little rhyme or reason behind the outcomes. As a matter of trivia, raw egg protein was the most slowly absorbed of them all at 1.3 g/hour.

It’s important to note that these data have some serious limitations. A major one is the variance of the methods used to determine the absorption rates (i.e., intravenous infusion, oral ingestion, ileal ingestion). Most of the methods are just too crude or far-fetched for serious consideration. Another limitation is that these figures could be skewed depending upon their concentration in solution, which can affect their rate of gastric evacuation. Another factor to consider is the timing of ingestion relative to exercise and how that might differentially affect absorption rates. Finally, short-term data leaves a lot open to question."

thanks guys always wondered if I should be eating protien before bed I drink whey 45 mins before bed I had this guy tell me try cassien one time I thought was just marketing but ill give it a shot. Is there any other time in the day itd be good for ? post shake ?

A whey shake before bed is a good practice on a cut. You can add a TBSP of PB.

Originally Posted by Built

As an aside on the relative speeds of protein:

Biggest protein myths debunked

Alan Aragon writes:
"A thorough literature review by Bilsborough and Mann compiled data from studies by various investigators who measured the absorption rates of various protein sources [6]. Oddly, an amino acid mixture designed to mimic the composition of pork tenderloin made the top spot, at 10 g/hour, while whey took a close second at 8-10 g/hour. Other proteins fell in their respective spots below the top two, with little rhyme or reason behind the outcomes. As a matter of trivia, raw egg protein was the most slowly absorbed of them all at 1.3 g/hour.

It’s important to note that these data have some serious limitations. A major one is the variance of the methods used to determine the absorption rates (i.e., intravenous infusion, oral ingestion, ileal ingestion). Most of the methods are just too crude or far-fetched for serious consideration. Another limitation is that these figures could be skewed depending upon their concentration in solution, which can affect their rate of gastric evacuation. Another factor to consider is the timing of ingestion relative to exercise and how that might differentially affect absorption rates. Finally, short-term data leaves a lot open to question."

That is interesting stuff indeed. Especially that raw egg protein was the slowest to absorb. I've heard it mentioned countless times that egg protein is one of the fastest absorbing proteins. Thanks for that info, Built.

Originally Posted by GMO

That is interesting stuff indeed. Especially that raw egg protein was the slowest to absorb. I've heard it mentioned countless times that egg protein is one of the fastest absorbing proteins. Thanks for that info, Built.

I imagine the fat in a whole egg may slow absorption but I have not seen data to support that.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

A whey shake before bed is a good practice on a cut. You can add a TBSP of PB.

I always add at least a table spoon of natural peanut butter to all of my shakes. It just makes them taste so much better, imo.

Originally Posted by GMO

That is interesting stuff indeed. Especially that raw egg protein was the slowest to absorb. I've heard it mentioned countless times that egg protein is one of the fastest absorbing proteins. Thanks for that info, Built.

Thank ThreeGigs for this interpretation - he posted it up on the protein thread:

Originally Posted by ThreeGigs

...the reason RAW egg WHITE protein (albumen) was the slowest at 1.3 grams an hour? Because raw egg whites contain ovomucoids, which are trypsin inhibitors (I've posted in these forums about raw egg whites before). Inhibit trypsin and the proteins don't get broken down into units small enough to be absorbed.

on a cut, i like to take MAP along with my aminos before bed instead of a shake

unless you mix 100% whey with water in a shaker

Originally Posted by heavyiron

A whey shake before bed is a good practice on a cut. You can add a TBSP of PB.

Interesting, why the PB?

Myofusion

Originally Posted by GymRat4Life

Interesting, why the PB?

Healthy fats, lowered risk of heart disease, good calories, etc...

Originally Posted by rOiD bOy

Myofusion

Banana Perfection = Superiority

Originally Posted by rOiD bOy

Myofusion

strawberry myofusion sucks!

Originally Posted by J.thom

strawberry myofusion sucks!

Banana perfection....

Originally Posted by Built

Thank ThreeGigs for this interpretation - he posted it up on the protein thread:

Thanks for giving credit to where it is do. I made sure to rep him for that post.