Thread: New idea for 2nd cycle

26 5'11 200 10% bf
1st cycle was test c 500mg for 12 weeks

This 2nd cycle im looking to add some more muscle and cut up towards the end. Here is what I am thinking as of now would like some opinions on it. My joints hurt a lot which is the reason for the deca.
1-10 test c 600mg
1-10 deca 300mg (for joints)
10-14 test prop (unsure of dosage 100mg eod?)
8-11 anavar 50mg daily
11-14 anavar 75mg daily
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

PCT
When should I start pct 2 days after last shot of prop?
14-19 clomid first 2 days 200mg then 150/100/75/50/25
14-19 nolva 40/20/20/20/20
14-19 Aromasin 12.5 eod

I also have bromo and caber just in case.

Originally Posted by cubanheat

...I also want to use deca cause my lifts are being held back by my joints ...I'm also not looking to add that much more mass. My legs are lagging a bit behind the rest of my body and I want to bring them up to par.

Sorry I forgot the title of this thread for a moment. I know where you're coming from. It takes a lot of muscle building to bring legs up if they are lagging. They are the some of the largest muscle-groups in your body, especially quads-hams-glutes. This will require a decent bulk to get these up to speed if you have chicken legs. So if you aren't looking to put on "much more mass" then my experience would say that they won't fully catch up if you decide to do a "light bulk and cut at the end scenario". Lagging body parts are a bitch and require going even harder to bring them up to speed.

You are already pretty lean if you are truly sitting at 10%. You should even be seeing signs of a six pack, if not seeing one in it's entirety. If this is not the case you aren't 10% I promise. If it is, then I would recommend clean bulking that way you keep your BF% down as much as possible, and if you ARE going to recomp at the end of your cycle then extend your cycle to at least 14 weeks. 16 would be recommended.

I really wouldn't even recommend a cycle like this for a 2nd timer even. 19nors are no fucking joke when it comes to ED and limp noodle. For even 10 weeks, let alone 16!

Keep in mind that this is a long cycle and will shut you down hard so you are going to need all the assistance you can get. Run HCG and Aromasin during cycle, and extend the Aromasin into PCT.

Save the nolva man. There is absolutely NO point in running Clomid and Nolva side by side during PCT. Clomid will help your natty test levels recover faster without hindering growth like it would with Nolva.

If you are successful at keeping the fluff and BF% down by your 12th week, then swap the deca out for either NPP or Winny, and run the Prop like you mentioned.


Now comes the timing part. Your blood levels are going to be pretty high by week 12, so my instinct would tell me to front-load the Prop a little bit when you start it in week 12. However I'm not sure by how much or frequency.

Use Roid Calculator - half lifes steroids ester half-life to plan your cycle and check your blood levels to get an accurate assumption on dosing so as to avoid a major spike which would throw you off big time.