Thread: My PCT after 8 months of blasting and cruising

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Ok, so I took my last shot of test 1 week ago after running a blast-cruise-blast. I'm going to keep a log of how it goes, with bloodwork to help those guys that are thinking of coming off of blasting and cruising.
I'm 32 y/o, 5'8," 205, 15% bodyfat, done having kids.

My first blast:
14 weeks of test e at 500 mg/week. then bumped it up to 750 mg for last 5 weeks.

cruise:
5 weeks of test e at 250mg/week.

second blast:
15 weeks of test e at 500/week
13 weeks of mast at 350 mg/week
4 weeks of tren at 350/week. had to drop tren early due to high bp.

I ran aromasin, HCG (1000 iu/week) throughout, and ran caber while on tren.

Here is my pct (5 weeks):

• 1000 iu of HCG EOD while test clears.

• aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5
• clomid 100/100/50/50/50
• nolva 20/20/20/10/10
• cialis if needed-

I chose to run nolva and clomid because there seems to be some disagreement as to which is better for pct. Additionally, I have a lot of respect for Dr. Scally and he recommends both.

I am fully aware of the risk I took from being on for so long, but it's the decision that I chose, and I'm going to deal with it. I have to say that I'm looking forward to being clean for a while. It gets stressful having to constantly deal with estrogen levels, prolactin levels, shot timing, bunk AI's etc. So, I'm anxious to get back to some natural training for a while.

My biggest fear is ED while in pct. I can handle loss of strength, depression etc. But, the ED is not ok.

• How many of you guys get ED while in pct?
• Any input is appreciated

my last pct was in Jan - march after a 20 week run and I had major ED problems, so bad I went to the my doc and he said at my age 34 it was un common for ed, BUT MY ED WAS DUE TO ANABOLICS ... so he suggested shorter runs 6-8 weeks, then cruise 2-3 months , then run 6-8 weeks.... basically he told me just do shorter runs its easier to recover and then just cruise.... he told me at 35 with my anabolic use just t]get on and get committed ... he has been on gh and test for 17 years straight...

so that is what I am gonna do after my next 16 week run in the spring , I am preping for a show next july and then I am done with long runs

Damn, you guys freak me out!

What's your guys' cycle history?

fsoe: did cruising alleviate the ED problems?

Thank you guys for the input, even though you have caused me anxiety.

Good Luck , im sure youll recover fine bruh. Im running a long cycle myself, a slingshot type thing. Coming down for the summer all ripped...

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Damn, you guys freak me out!

What's your guys' cycle history?

fsoe: did cruising alleviate the ED problems?

Thank you guys for the input, even though you have caused me anxiety.

yes ... it made all the diff. in the world.... no problems at all now... and I will never run tren without proviron again.... its helps me soooooooo much !!!!

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Damn, you guys freak me out!

...

Thank you guys for the input, even though you have caused me anxiety.

You're psyching yourself out man! I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. You're taking all the necessary pre-cautions and being smart about it. And like I mentioned earlier, natty supplements like tribulus and HGW always make a great addition to any PCT. It just takes patience.

Yes, def run Proviron with Tren, lol.

Psychological aspects/fear of ED can play a large role in the actual occurrence of ED too. Due to the fact that I've been a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus for the past 11 months, my wife would probably LOVE if I have ED for a few weeks. lol. Poor girl could use some recovery time which I have not allowed her to have. However, she is capable of multiple orgasms while I give her oral pleasure so if I have to endure ED, I will at least keep her happy somewhat until my tube steak can finally stiffen up and party. (it helps that I am the only guy she has ever been with so I know that I get to kiss and lick a p*ssy that tastes like strawberry shortcake and has not been invaded by some other dirty prick, haha). As a result, my self esteem and "manhood" won't take quite such a hit as my tongue will still be able to send her to another "planet" until the dick wakes up - that is, if ED becomes a short term reality. I would like to run Proviron throughout pct but I have read this is a no-no.

Viagra and Cialis on hand as they will probably be needed. Might be wise to get some hcg for PCT seeing that I have not ran hcg at all during this 11 month blast. I'm hoping NOt to need trt but if I do, I do. I created my own situation and am willing to accept the outcome.

Sorry for vulgar details to anyone who may be offended.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Yes, def run Proviron with Tren, lol.

Psychological aspects/fear of ED can play a large role in the actual occurrence of ED too. Due to the fact that I've been a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus for the past 11 months, my wife would probably LOVE if I have ED for a few weeks. lol. Poor girl could use some recovery time which I have not allowed her to have. However, she is capable of multiple orgasms while I give her oral pleasure so if I have to endure ED, I will at least keep her happy somewhat until my tube steak can finally stiffen up and party. (it helps that I am the only guy she has ever been with so I know that I get to kiss and lick a p*ssy that tastes like strawberry shortcake and has not been invaded by some other dirty prick, haha). As a result, my self esteem and "manhood" won't take quite such a hit as my tongue will still be able to send her to another "planet" until the dick wakes up - that is, if ED becomes a short term reality. I would like to run Proviron throughout pct but I have read this is a no-no.

Viagra and Cialis on hand as they will probably be needed. Might be wise to get some hcg for PCT seeing that I have not ran hcg at all during this 11 month blast. I'm hoping NOt to need trt but if I do, I do. I created my own situation and am willing to accept the outcome.

Sorry for vulgar details to anyone who may be offended.

Great post, no need to apologize. I think my wife will be a little relieved too, that tren makes me a sexual predator. And, my wife is very fond of the tongue as well, but hopefully if I have a problem, it's only short lived.

I'm in the same boat as you are, I made this decision knowingly full well the risks I was taking, and I'm prepared for whatever happens.

I am curious if anyone knows of guys recovering after cycles this long? I remember glycomann posting that he recovered his test levels after 2 years of HRT.

ya man it is possible to recover after being on for extended periods of time, but not everyone does..just stick to your pct, mabe extend it out 8 weeks..and get some lab work like 4 to 8 weeks after your done with your pct

Originally Posted by keith1569

ya man it is possible to recover after being on for extended periods of time, but not everyone does..just stick to your pct, mabe extend it out 8 weeks..and get some lab work like 4 to 8 weeks after your done with your pct

Absolutely. More recovery time is never a bad thing.

for example if i dont recover from my current pct im gonna give 1000iu hcg ed a go for like 8 weeks then followeed by 8 weeks of 50mg 2x a day of clomid and see if that does the trick..if not well...idk hrt i suppose

I've seen Dr. Scally recommend an HCG test to determine if someone is either primary or secondary hypogonadism.

He does 2000 iu every third day for 30 days, and has test levels checked after the 5th or 6th shot. If test levels aren't normal after that then you have primary hypogonadism. Meaning, that it's the testicles that are the problem.

If test levels are normal after the HCG test, then it's secondary hypo and your pituitary and/or hypothalamus is the cause of low test levels. Meaning that there isn't enough lh being produced to stimulate the testes.

The point of all this is that if someone's testicles are still working fine, one can use just hcg as TRT and have normal test levels.

This will be my route if I can't recover after two pct attempts.

Dr. Scally is a wealth of information and has treated thousands of guys suffering from AIH. (anabolic induced hypogonadism). And, you can read all of his recommendations at meso.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I've seen Dr. Scally recommend an HCG test to determine if someone is either primary or secondary hypogonadism.

He does 2000 iu every third day for 30 days, and has test levels checked after the 5th or 6th shot. If test levels aren't normal after that then you have primary hypogonadism. Meaning, that it's the testicles that are the problem.

If test levels are normal after the HCG test, then it's secondary hypo and your pituitary and/or hypothalamus is the cause of low test levels. Meaning that there isn't enough lh being produced to stimulate the testes.

The point of all this is that if someone's testicles are still working fine, one can use just hcg as TRT and have normal test levels.

This will be my route if I can't recover after two pct attempts.

Dr. Scally is a wealth of information and has treated thousands of guys suffering from AIH. (anabolic induced hypogonadism). And, you can read all of his recommendations at meso.

Interesting info about Doc Scally and "AIH." I'm hoping my test levels recover and trt won't be necessary but if there's any trouble, I've brought it upon myself. I also have NEVER recommended anyone to run an extended blast like I have. I have friends who blast and then run pct the traditional method - aka 12-16 week cycles. They ask me if I think they should blast indefinitely and I'm quick to let them know I do what I do and cannot in my good clear conscience encourage someone (stranger or friend) to take the chances I take. I tell them it is completely their call - I could recover fine and the next guy might shut down permanently so you never can tell. What works for one may not work for another.

Oh well, this is going to be interesting for lack of a better term. Good luck to all and any who choose the looooong blast sessions like myself, Exphys and others. Let's all post our results once recovery/pct starts and progresses.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I hear ya man. I'd rather be weak and puny with a working dick, then ripped with a limp dick.

On a positive note, a lot of what I have read is that low testosterone is rarely the cause of ED, but it's usually more of a circulation problem. I wonder if guys that experience ED during PCT is because their libido is so low that they just aren't interested.

I look forward to your log.

I'm in week 4 of PCT, after a 16 week cycle and I can say that I have no issues with ED, but I also have little interest in sex. I'm just now starting to have that feeling in my gut where I want to "hit it" after seeing an attractive girl. To be honest, my girlfriend is like WTF? I'm thinking i may need to extend my PCT another two weeks, but will wait to see what my bloodwork tells me to do.

Best of Luck!

Originally Posted by Runner22

I'm in week 4 of PCT, after a 16 week cycle and I can say that I have no issues with ED, but I also have little interest in sex. I'm just now starting to have that feeling in my gut where I want to "hit it" after seeing an attractive girl. To be honest, my girlfriend is like WTF? I'm thinking i may need to extend my PCT another two weeks, but will wait to see what my bloodwork tells me to do.

Best of Luck!

Thanks bro! I find it interesting the variation of symptoms that each guy experiences during pct. I'm pretty sure my test levels have dropped dramatically and I have no ED either too.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Interesting info about Doc Scally and "AIH." I'm hoping my test levels recover and trt won't be necessary but if there's any trouble, I've brought it upon myself. I also have NEVER recommended anyone to run an extended blast like I have. I have friends who blast and then run pct the traditional method - aka 12-16 week cycles. They ask me if I think they should blast indefinitely and I'm quick to let them know I do what I do and cannot in my good clear conscience encourage someone (stranger or friend) to take the chances I take. I tell them it is completely their call - I could recover fine and the next guy might shut down permanently so you never can tell. What works for one may not work for another.

Oh well, this is going to be interesting for lack of a better term. Good luck to all and any who choose the looooong blast sessions like myself, Exphys and others. Let's all post our results once recovery/pct starts and progresses.

Good luck to you too. I'll definitely keep this updated

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I've seen Dr. Scally recommend an HCG test to determine if someone is either primary or secondary hypogonadism.

He does 2000 iu every third day for 30 days, and has test levels checked after the 5th or 6th shot. If test levels aren't normal after that then you have primary hypogonadism. Meaning, that it's the testicles that are the problem.

If test levels are normal after the HCG test, then it's secondary hypo and your pituitary and/or hypothalamus is the cause of low test levels. Meaning that there isn't enough lh being produced to stimulate the testes.

The point of all this is that if someone's testicles are still working fine, one can use just hcg as TRT and have normal test levels.

This will be my route if I can't recover after two pct attempts.

Dr. Scally is a wealth of information and has treated thousands of guys suffering from AIH. (anabolic induced hypogonadism). And, you can read all of his recommendations at meso.

that is very good info! thanks for posting it up..i if dont recover after this pct i will give that method a try and see what happens

if one were to use hcg as their trt to keep test levels up, what would the dose be? just continuous 2000iu e3d?

Originally Posted by keith1569

that is very good info! thanks for posting it up..i if dont recover after this pct i will give that method a try and see what happens

if one were to use hcg as their trt to keep test levels up, what would the dose be? just continuous 2000iu e3d?

I wouldn't think it would need to be that high, but I'm not sure. I would assume it would depend on bloodwork. I'll look into it and see if I can find out. Dr. Scally is a moderator at meso-rx and answers questions for members almost daily.

Here is a good thread where Dr. Scally and Bill Roberts are helping someone recover, and another bit of info from Dr. Scally.

GnRH(LHRH) vs Triptorelin Bill Roberts

How Do I Use HCG with Steroids?

Hope this helps

Here is what Dr. Scally recomends if your test is good (>400) after the hcg challenge test:

"I suggest a hCG challenge - 2,000 IU Q3D X 10. Check the T level after 5-6 injection. If this is good (>400), finish the hCG and begin SERM. "

here is another links to a guy who did trip shot and didnt do it for him...he is now trying Dr. Scally method

Scally, Lab Results

it looks like when running 2000iu e3d of hcg you can run clomid along with it

Originally Posted by keith1569

here is another links to a guy who did trip shot and didnt do it for him...he is now trying Dr. Scally method

Scally, Lab Results

it looks like when running 2000iu e3d of hcg you can run clomid along with it

Correct, but this shouldn't be mistaken for a pct. This is just to determine what type of hypogonadism one has.

but if a serm doesnt do the trick u could always stay on 2000iu e3d for a trt type of thing if it puts ur test levels inthe 400's correct?

Originally Posted by keith1569

but if a serm doesnt do the trick u could always stay on 2000iu e3d for a trt type of thing if it puts ur test levels inthe 400's correct?

I'm not sure, good question. It's probably a question for Dr. Scally. It seems like this type of trt would be better than trt with test though, because you would be able to keep the testes working and possibly be able to get the hypothalamus and/or pituitary working in the future.

I recovered fine with just clomid and nolvadex after 1 1/2 of blast and cruise.You all will be fine.Half ppl who do gear don't even know what pct is and they eventually recover.

How long did u run clomid and nolva for? Did u get labs done is how u know u recovered?

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4 weeks and no labs !I just felt fine and started making gains naturally again.Sex drive was great,nut's were plump again.What more could I ask for?

Originally Posted by ontopthegame85

I recovered fine with just clomid and nolvadex after 1 1/2 of blast and cruise.You all will be fine.Half ppl who do gear don't even know what pct is and they eventually recover.

"1 1/2"? 1 1/2 years I assume, right? If so, this is good to know. It's easy to submit to the fearmongering associated with the possibility of never fully recovering even if running proper pct. Still, a full recovery is not a given. I believe in all likelihood that I would recover pct or no pct - of course it would behoove me to use pct and shorten recovery time but some people aren't so lucky despite the odds of a full recovery eventually happening for most of us running long blast sessions.

Originally Posted by BigBird

"1 1/2"? 1 1/2 years I assume, right? If so, this is good to know. It's easy to submit to the fearmongering associated with the possibility of never fully recovering even if running proper pct. Still, a full recovery is not a given. I believe in all likelihood that I would recover pct or no pct - of course it would behoove me to use pct and shorten recovery time but some people aren't so lucky despite the odds of a full recovery eventually happening for most of us running long blast sessions.

Indeed. I've never run a cycle longer than 14 weeks and even with HCG it takes forever for me to recover. I always do, but my PCTs are never less than 6 weeks. Unfortunately in this game, one size doesn't fit all.