AI question

**klc9100** · 11-04-2011, 07:22 AM

1st time with prop and masteron.

i'm running gp's andromix:

50mg prop/day
50mg tren/day
50mg mast/day

plus 25mg proviron/day

since it's only 350/week of test, plus prop doesn't convert as much as long esters do, plus masteron and proviron having some AI properties, is there a need to run any other AI along with this stack??

i have plenty if needed.

**Vibrant** · 11-04-2011, 07:36 AM

If it were me, I would still run aromasin at a low dose 12.5mg eod. And definitely caber 2x a week for the tren.

**VictorZ06** · 11-04-2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by vibrant

if it were me, i would still run aromasin at a low dose 12.5mg eod. And definitely caber 2x a week for the tren.

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**paolo584** · 11-04-2011, 08:43 AM

do u guys always run caber when u run tren??

**VictorZ06** · 11-04-2011, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by paolo584

do u guys always run caber when u run tren??

I do. Also ran prami before as well.

/V

**klc9100** · 11-04-2011, 11:47 AM

thanks for the replies. the 2 previous times i ran tren i didn't use any prolactin AI. it was my understanding that prolactin can't exist without moderate to high levels of estrogen.

i have some liquidex i probably need to use up 1st. would .5mg/day work OK?

**alphabolic** · 11-04-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by klc9100

prop doesn't convert as much as long esters do.

just wondering what the science behind this is. because doesnt prop contain a higher amount of actual test? i think its like test prop is 83% test while enanthate is 70% test or somewhere very close to those numbers. so it would seem since prop has more test, more of it will convert to estrogen.

**klc9100** · 11-04-2011, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by alphabolic

just wondering what the science behind this is. because doesnt prop contain a higher amount of actual test? i think its like test prop is 83% test while enanthate is 70% test or somewhere very close to those numbers. so it would seem since prop has more test, more of it will convert to estrogen.

i don't know the science, honestly. that's just what i've always heard & read.

**SloppyJ** · 11-04-2011, 12:22 PM

The prop ester weighs less than the E or C ester. Therefore you get more hormone mg per mg. Hope that makes sense.

**heckler7** · 11-04-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by klc9100

i don't know the science, honestly. that's just what i've always heard & read.

it really is up to how your body reacts to it. some people get sides that I've never heard of and they have numerous cycles under their belt.

**pieguy** · 11-04-2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by klc9100

thanks for the replies. the 2 previous times i ran tren i didn't use any prolactin AI. it was my understanding that prolactin can't exist without moderate to high levels of estrogen.

i have some liquidex i probably need to use up 1st. would .5mg/day work OK?

That doesn't always pan out. It's hard to tell how much estradiol is being deactivated meaning some prolactin interaction can be occurring under your nose. Some dude just posted that he had bunk aromasin instead of realizing that the test P was just causing too much aromatization that reacted with his 19'nor's prolactin. He didn't have problems historically with not running prami/caber, but in his latest cycle, problems came up. Just play it safe and you never have to worry about it.

**brundel** · 11-04-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by alphabolic

just wondering what the science behind this is. because doesnt prop contain a higher amount of actual test? i think its like test prop is 83% test while enanthate is 70% test or somewhere very close to those numbers. so it would seem since prop has more test, more of it will convert to estrogen.

The science is as follows:

With a longer ester, cyp or enanth for example, you get an accumulated or stacking effect. This is due to the fact that once your into your cycle a bit you will still have a good deal of exogenous test releasing from previous deposits. So your new injection releases and the one before that is releasing and possible one before that and so on. This is why blood hormone levels get so much higher using long esters.
As a result, there is more test in circulation.
More test circulating = more to aromatize.

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