Primary Hypogonadism from AAS

**msumuscle** · 11-07-2011, 08:07 PM

I'm in a pretty bad situation and I'm just trying to figure some things out. So, I'm 20 years old. Ran a 15 week cycle that included test E, tren A, and EQ. It's been 14 weeks since I started PCT and 6 weeks since I ended PCT. I'm still completely shut down and my testes are still very small. Blasted HCG at the end of my cycle for 3 weeks at 1000 IU EOD. I've seen an endocrinologist and she said that I'm secondary hypogonadism because along with my low test my LH and FSH is low and on top of the fact that my testicles were normal size before I started my cycle. This relieved me but at the same time I'm worried because I know that my HCG was legit, so how is it possible that I had absolutely no response to it? If I was primary wouldnt my LH and FSH be normal and just have low total test? I'm just looking for information and peoples experiences.

**ShawnH** · 11-07-2011, 08:15 PM

Could be related to being just 20 years old...

How many cycles have you done before this one?
Tren is pretty hardcore from what I understand.

**msumuscle** · 11-07-2011, 08:18 PM

This was only my 2nd cycle, did my first cycle of 500 mgs test E at 19 years old. Stopped 5 weeks in because I broke my hand.

**ShawnH** · 11-07-2011, 08:24 PM

Your best bet at this point I would say is to try and wait awhile see if it will come back natural.

I think some of the more experienced members would agree with me on this.

I think things will recover for you in weeks or months from now but at this point in your life it may be best to shelf AAS for a few more years so you can reduce the risk of making TRT a part of your life so early.

**~RaZr~** · 11-07-2011, 08:28 PM

Looking around, if you were Dx with Secondary Hypogonadism then that means that your hypothalamus isn't triggering to signal FSH and LH production. Thus, your test levels are shot and your FSH and LH are shot or normal. This isn't something to mess around with bro and you need to lay off the sauce and get this figured out.

**msumuscle** · 11-07-2011, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by djlance

Looking around, if you were Dx with Secondary Hypogonadism then that means that your hypothalamus isn't triggering to signal FSH and LH production. Thus, your test levels are shot and your FSH and LH are shot or normal. This isn't something to mess around with bro and you need to lay off the sauce and get this figured out.

You've got that right, I'm just angry with myself that it took all of these problems happening to make me realize what I was doing. It's a damn shame.

**Killermonkey** · 11-07-2011, 08:44 PM

Dig deep in research next time, sorry to hear that

**exphys88** · 11-07-2011, 11:09 PM

If it were me, I'd do an HCG challenge test to know for sure if your problem is primary. You do 2000 iu every 3 days for 30 days, after 5-6 shots test your test levels. If you're above 4-5000 then your responding properly. You have to go at this systematically and eliminate potential causes.
Have you requested the help of Dr. Scally yet?

**msumuscle** · 11-08-2011, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

If it were me, I'd do an HCG challenge test to know for sure if your problem is primary. You do 2000 iu every 3 days for 30 days, after 5-6 shots test your test levels. If you're above 4-5000 then your responding properly. You have to go at this systematically and eliminate potential causes.
Have you requested the help of Dr. Scally yet?

Yes, I emailed Dr. Scally on Saturday I believe it was. He responded saying that he does phone consulatations for $150. I'm thinking about doing this.

**GMO** · 11-08-2011, 06:45 AM

It is most likely because you started cycling before your endocrine system was fully developed. The phone consult sounds like a good idea.

**exphys88** · 11-08-2011, 06:45 AM

Nice, that's not bad considering his reputation and experience with 1000's of aas users. I would love to hear how it goes. Best of luck

**bigmoe65** · 11-08-2011, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by msumuscle

Yes, I emailed Dr. Scally on Saturday I believe it was. He responded saying that he does phone consulatations for $150. I'm thinking about doing this.

Spend the money and stop wasting your time with your endo. You need experienced help now.

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