Test E & Deca Cycle - Feedback

**Runner22** · 11-08-2011, 06:51 PM

Hey everyone,

I'm planning a winter cycle and would like to get your feedback. Here are my stats:

* Age - 38
*Height - 5'8"
* Weight - 178
* Bodyfat - 12%
* Years of Training - 20
* Experience w/ AAS - In the last 20 years, I've done about 7 cycles.
* Training - I typically follow a 3 on, 1 or 2 day off routine. My splits are Chest, Shoulders and Triceps on day 1. Day 2 is Back & Biceps and day 3 is Legs. I also do a few sets of Calves and Abs on each "on day". Depending on the time of year, I run 10-25 miles per week or swim.
* Diet - Maintenance is about 2500 to 3000 calories per day 40% P/45%C/15% F
6) Cycle Goals - Increase overall strength, improve joint & tendon pain/ inflamation.

Cycle:

* Weeks 1-10 500mg Test E (bi-weekly pin)
* Weeks 1-10 400mg Deca (bi-weekly pin)
* Weeks 1-10 25mg Aromasin (ed)
* Weeks 1-10 1mg Caber (bi-weekly)

PCT:

* Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5
* Nolva 40/40/20/20 or Clomid 100/100/50/50

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Runner22

**littlekev** · 11-08-2011, 06:56 PM

Kicker dbol weeks 1-4, 30 to 50mg ed, i would cut the aromasin to 12.5 ed. Just my opinion

**vannesb** · 11-08-2011, 06:58 PM

If you are set on running Deca at 400 I would increse Test to 700 to 800mg ew or look at test 600mg and deca 300mg.

With you body weight you would get good results with 300mg Deca. For me I always run 2/1 ratio when running deca.

**exphys88** · 11-08-2011, 06:59 PM

Is that a total of 1 mg/week of caber?

Some guys are really liking the kickstart w/ prop, just a suggestion.

Looks like you know your shit!

**Runner22** · 11-08-2011, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by vannesb

If you are set on running Deca at 400 I would increse Test to 700 to 800mg ew or look at test 600mg and deca 300mg.

With you body weight you would get good results with 300mg Deca. For me I always run 2/1 ratio when running deca.

That's good to know...I was thinking 300 would be the minimum on the deca, but wasn't sure on the ratios. I'll probably go with 600/300.

**littlekev** · 11-08-2011, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Is that a total of 1 mg/week of caber?

Some guys are really liking the kickstart w/ prop, just a suggestion.

Looks like you know your shit!

Prop kickstart a good idea also

**Runner22** · 11-08-2011, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Is that a total of 1 mg/week of caber?

Some guys are really liking the kickstart w/ prop, just a suggestion.

Looks like you know your shit!

Correct! 1mg per week split on Mon & Thurs. My last cycle was with prop and it just about killed me. I tried 3 different brands and I was still in massive pain for 3-5 days after each injection. I guess I'm just one those individuals who can't tolerate prop. I've used Test E in the past and had no issues. Of course, I always do labs and will control my e2 with the aromasin and hopefully, minimize the extra bloat on Test E vs. Prop.

**exphys88** · 11-08-2011, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Runner22

Correct! 1mg per week split on Mon & Thurs. My last cycle was with prop and it just about killed me. I tried 3 different brands and I was still in massive pain for 3-5 days after each injection. I guess I'm just one those individuals who can't tolerate prop. I've used Test E in the past and had no issues. Of course, I always do labs and will control my e2 with the aromasin and hopefully, minimize the extra bloat on Test E vs. Prop.

bummer, I haven't tried it, but I'm trying to make the switch for my next cycle in hopes to improve recovery time, and to be able to run shorter cycles.

**Runner22** · 11-08-2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by littlekev

Prop kickstart a good idea also

Wish I could - to much pain!...but, I just ordered some Tbol and might give that a try. I've used dbol in the past and had good results, but had BP issues.

**exphys88** · 11-08-2011, 07:11 PM

I love tbol!

**Runner22** · 11-08-2011, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

bummer, I haven't tried it, but I'm trying to make the switch for my next cycle in hopes to improve recovery time, and to be able to run shorter cycles.

I will say this about prop...stacking it with Mast and winstrol was an amzing cycle, if it weren't for the pain

**notoriousbeast** · 11-08-2011, 07:40 PM

prop is a great kickstart but the pain the day after sucks!

**latinboy7** · 11-09-2011, 10:05 AM

Some say Caber help you recover faster after you cum, so that you can cum again and again with little refractory period. I didnt feel that effect when I was taking it though...

**latinboy7** · 11-09-2011, 10:11 AM

I also did a Test E, Deca cycle. ITs wa very good. With Deca you will keep most of your your gains or long enough until your next cycle

**l69lou** · 11-09-2011, 10:55 AM

i recently did this kind of run but instead of deca i opted for npp. i really like it. very little water and a great feeling of well being. 100mg eod. i also used a test p kickstart and loved that approach. i never have any pip from prop but maybe i am just lucky that way. i would cut the aromasin to 12.5 mg a day at least to start.

**longworthb** · 11-09-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by latinboy7

I also did a Test E, Deca cycle. ITs wa very good. With Deca you will keep most of your your gains or long enough until your next cycle

your pct and diet is how you keep gains not necessarily the compounds. just saying

**rockhardly** · 11-09-2011, 11:18 AM

I would:

Run test for 2 weeks longer than deca for libido.

Run clomid instead of nolva.

And add HCG at 1000iu's per week.

Cut aromasin to 12.5mg ed and adjust as necassary.

**swollen** · 11-09-2011, 11:50 AM

This is always a good stack, I've run it before, w/ dbol kicker and it was awesome.

I really don't think u should use nolva on ur pct- just the clomid..., but use the nolva during if u feel gyno comin'.

**vannesb** · 11-09-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by swollen

This is always a good stack, I've run it before, w/ dbol kicker and it was awesome.

I really don't think u should use nolva on ur pct- just the clomid..., but use the nolva during if u feel gyno comin'.

Make sure you don't use nolvadex while using deca

**latinboy7** · 11-09-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Is that a total of 1 mg/week of caber?

Some guys are really liking the kickstart w/ prop, just a suggestion.

Looks like you know your shit!

Yes 1mg/week of Caber. That's what I take. 0.5mg twice a week

**Runner22** · 11-09-2011, 05:23 PM

Thanks everyone for the advice - much appreciated! With regards to the aromasin, I'm a bit gyno prone and 25mg ED keeps my e2 in a desirable range (according to my labs).

For PCT, I've used clomid in the past with success, but do get tracers and noticed sensitivity to bright light. Not sure if it's related, but i thought I would give nolva a try. There seems to be a lot of back and forth with regards to nolva for pct or during a deca cycle for gyno flares. Perhaps someone can shed some light here. If I used nolva I may also consider adding IGF1.

**BP2000** · 11-09-2011, 05:36 PM

For PCT use HCG 1000iu - 2500 iu EOD leading up to PCT and cut the deca short. Then you can use Nolva after the deca clears for pct along w/ clomid. Or you can use toremephine instead of nolva.

Your tracer's are from the clomid. You can run it high the first week but cut back and then use clomid/nolva combo or tore/clomid combo. I would also use 1000iu HCG a week during cycle.

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