Long "first" cycle

**jim stevens** · 11-15-2011, 05:51 PM

Hey bros. Ok started my first cycle 6 weeks ago only to find out my test e was bunk. Now I'm on Clomid and aromasin recovering. In january I plan on starting again for my first "real" cycle. I'm planning on running a longer than normal cycle and am wondering what the vets think about it. Also please keep in mind I'm an athlete not a BB.

1) Age
-24
2) Height, Weight and Percent BodyFat
-6'4" 265lbs. @ 17% on a caliper by nutritionist last week.
3) Years of Consistant Training experience
-In the gym since age 12. Spent every summer since 8th grade at different places like sparq/velocity/etc. Bulked and cut in college under nutritionists and learned how my body does both best. Played D-1 defensive end at 275lbs @ 14%. Took one year completely off from training and diet and traveled. After that got right back in the gym(which was last January), which brings us up till now.
4) Previous Cycle experience
-My bunk cycle that I"m recovering from now
5) Training routine and Diet
-5/3/1 Triumvirate four days a week w/ 20min PWO cardio.
Once i get rollin on the cycle it will be athletic based cardio(tire flips, sledge hammer work, etc) in the morning on MTRF and Tuesday and Saturday being plyo/sprint based workouts.
Diet is like this:
meal 1- 50g shake w/milk
meal 2- baked fish or chicken and 50g carb
meal 3- baked fish or chicken and 50g carb
Workout
meal 4- PWO 50g shake w/milk
meal 5- baked fish or chicken(will add in carbs here on cycle)
meal 6- baked fish or chicken(will add in carbs here on cycle)

6) Cycle Goals
- Mainly as much strength as I can put on. Goal is to be ~250 @ <10% and to get my lifts back to respectable numbers. Ultimately i want a minimum of the following 400 bench, 500 squat, and 600 dead all raw. Right now they are 335 bench, 405 squat(sucks but I'm tall), and 495 DL.

Now here's the good stuff

Week 1-20- Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-22 - Adex .5mg eod
Week ?-22 - Anavar 75mg (will add in when Test gains stop)
Week 21-22 - HCG 2000iu eod
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Nolva on hand in case of lumps

I like to train, alot. When playing ball I got used to traing at least twice a day 6 or so days a week. After my year of laziness and traveling I can't work as hard or as long as I want to. So I plan on using this long cycle to get back in good enough shape to train the way I want to again.

I know that most will say the gains will stop @ week 10 or so but I"m adding in the anavar to keep it going. Also I plan on using the increased work capacity I'll have to bust my ass enough to completely recomp my body and get my athleticism back. I've been 242 at 9%(hydrostatic) when I first had to gain weight in college so I know that I can maintain around that naturally. I'm wanting to use this lengthy cycle to get back around there. It seems like it would be much easier to accomplish my fat loss/strength/athleticism goals over 20 weeks as compared to a 10 weeker.

What you vets think about long cycles? Any objections?

**sofargone561** · 11-15-2011, 05:55 PM

im interested in what some of the vets have to say about this

**ZECH** · 11-15-2011, 06:30 PM

If you want to see consistant gains, you will need to up the test beginning at week 6. Then again at 10,14 and 18. (500mg, 750mg, 1g, 1.2g) If not stop at 10 weeks.

**pieguy** · 11-15-2011, 06:47 PM

If you wanted to run strictly test the whole cycle and only have an anavar finisher, it'd probably have to be something around

1-8: 500mg/week
9-12:750mg/week
13-16:1000mg/week
17-20:1250mg/week

I personally think test only cycles are really underwhelming, but hey, to each his own. I would not do a cycle like this and would rather add more compounds and/or shorten the cycle. Maybe try your hand at deca, eq or primo if you're set on long cycles.

**Vibrant** · 11-15-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by ZECH

If you want to see consistant gains, you will need to up the test beginning at week 6. Then again at 10,14 and 18. (500mg, 750mg, 1g, 1.2g) If not stop at 10 weeks.

Can you explain your reasoning behind upping the test so early?

**jim stevens** · 11-15-2011, 07:23 PM

anybody suggest adding another compound instead of upping the test?
Again I'm not bodybuilding here, and my understanding may be limited but does this make sense: I'm wanting to use the test for the mass/streength in the beginning, but the continued use for increased work capacity and recovery ability so I can work myself back into the shape and condtion I need to workout the way I like. That way when I come off I'll be able to work at a high enough capacity to do the things I want.

**jim stevens** · 11-15-2011, 09:11 PM

bump before bed

**LightBearer** · 11-15-2011, 09:15 PM

youre gonna plateau on test early bro usually week 8, if you dont up the dose like op said its not even worth it, but for your first cycle you dont belong doing 750+mg per week, just do a reg 12 weeker bro

**GMO** · 11-16-2011, 06:23 AM

First cycle...20 weeks? My only question is why?

Test E or C for 10-12 weeks at 500mg/wk...

Week 1-12- Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-12 - Adex .5mg eod
Week 5-12 - Anavar 75mg
Week 1-12 - HCG 500iu x2/wk then blast 1000iu eod while test clears

Clomid 100/75/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

I also highly recommend getting your BF down to at least 15% before starting.

Also if your gear was bunk, why are you running a PCT? Did you get blood work done to confirm this?

**jim stevens** · 11-16-2011, 09:30 AM

^^^^^I like that one. Would you recommend a Dbol kicker on my first cycle or not?

I was shooting prop and test e for the first three weeks of my cycle and then continued on just the test e for 3 more weeks. Sides and gains stopped and started feeling like shit in week 5 and had bloodwork done in week 6. The prop was legit and shut me down and my blood work showed test level at 242. So i'm doing clomid to get back to normal levels for a while before starting again.

**Vibrant** · 11-16-2011, 09:45 AM

I think you dont need a dbol kicker for a first cycle. You're gonna have an oral from week 5 anyway. You can make some nice gains if your diet and training are good. If you want a kickstart, go with test prop.

**jim stevens** · 11-16-2011, 10:05 AM

I did like the prop kicker last time, but the day after I shoot it the site is painful as fuck. Did glute shot and had to sit on just my left ass cheek for like 3 days

**james-27** · 11-16-2011, 11:31 AM

I like to train, alot. When playing ball I got used to traing at least twice a day 6 or so days a week.

Seems like you train way to much. More is not always better. Id stick to 1 hour a day 4-5 times a week.

**GMO** · 11-16-2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by jim stevens

^^^^^I like that one. Would you recommend a Dbol kicker on my first cycle or not?

I was shooting prop and test e for the first three weeks of my cycle and then continued on just the test e for 3 more weeks. Sides and gains stopped and started feeling like shit in week 5 and had bloodwork done in week 6. The prop was legit and shut me down and my blood work showed test level at 242. So i'm doing clomid to get back to normal levels for a while before starting again.

I would rather use a prop kicker, but yes dbol would be fine as well.

**Vibrant** · 11-16-2011, 12:51 PM

Also check out cyanostane rx for a kickstart. I just ran it and I liked it. It might be a better kickstart for a first cycle.

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