Thread: Upcoming Bulk for Cold Season!!!

Originally Posted by SamboRambo

Hello Gentlemen,

I am new to the board, but been in the game for quite a while. I have been perusing around this forum for a while now and have come to enjoy spending time here learning from others. This board reminds me of a much better version of the old bodybuilding.com AAS forum - shame they shut it down...Any old vets or Mods from BB.com on here?

Anyway, as i am fervently gathering my compounds for my much aniticipated bulk cycle (like a mad squirrel gathering nuts for the winter), i thought i would post my plan for review and critique. Here we go:

Stats:
1) Age: 30
2) Weight and Percent BodyFat: 5'-10", 210 lbs, 9-10% BF
3) Years of Consistant Training experience: 10 years
4) Previous Cycle experience: 4 Bulk Cycles 1 Cut Cycle
5) Training routine and Diet: 3 on 1 off or 5 on 2 off; one body part per day plus 20 min HIIT EOD; Diet is relative to current strategy - mainly carb and fat minipulation. Protein intake approximately 400 grams per day; seven meals per day every day
6) Cycle Goals: This cycle will be BULK - looking for 10-15 quality lbs to add to my base.

Planned Bulk Cycle for 16 Week Duration:
1-6: 50 MG Dbol/day
1-16: 750 MG Sustanon/week
1-16: 600 MG EQ/week
1-16: 400 MG Masteron/week
1-16: 6iu/day HGH (currently on 4 iu/day year round since last May)
3-18: 1000 IU HCG/week

PCT:
18-19: 40 MG Nolva/day & 100 MG Clomid/day
19-20: 20 MG Nolva/day & 50 MG Clomid/day


Ancillaries:

• Fish Oil
• Milk Thistle
• Mega Vitamin
• Propecia
• ZMA
• Melatonin

Looking forward to questions, responses, and critiques. Thanks in advance gentlemen.

Sambo

First before I say anything I need to applaud you for taking the time to clearly write out your cycle, and organize your post. Well Done!

As for your cycle its well thought out, your running the EQ for a longer than 14 weeks witch is a must to gain full benefit. Everything else looks on point. There are only 3 things that come to mind to me with your post.

1. EQ ( boldenone undecylenate ) has a very long ester, ending it the same day as your sust, will leave the EQ still working in your body while the sust has already cleared. My suggestion would be to run your sust 1-2 weeks longer than the EQ and then start pct 2 weeks after last injection.

2. There was no mention of an AI, with Dbol at 50mg for 6 weeks, your more than likely goign to develop alot of water weight, if your looking for quality gains get some Aromasin in there from week 1 and through PCT, the reason we use aromasin on PCT is becasue unlike other AI's, Aromasin is a scucidal aromatase inhibitor. Meaning it binds to the building estrogen and renders it useless, rather than just blocking it. If you take Aromasin during your PCT it will save you from Estrogen rebound.

3. Your PCT reminds me of how we PCT back a while ago, you do not need nolva for PCT save it for during the cycle if gyno flares up, but when used on PCT it will actually lower IGF levels and in-turn be counter productive to you being able to retain maximum gains. Clomid/Aromasin is a much better way to go for PCT.

Side Note : Start HCG from day 1, sus has short esters made into it, that will cause atrophy, there is no need to start hcg 3 weeks into it when atrophy has already begun.

Here are some changes.

Planned Bulk Cycle for 16 Week Duration:
1-6: 50 MG Dbol/day
1-17: 750 MG Sustanon/week
1-16: 600 MG EQ/week
1-16: 400 MG Masteron/week
1-??: 6iu/day HGH (currently on 4 iu/day year round since last May)
1-18: 1000 IU HCG/week
1-18 Aromasin 12.5mg/ed or eod

PCT:

19 100mg Clomid ed / 25mg Aromasin ed
20 100mg Clomid ed / 25mg Aromasin ed
21 75mg Clomid ed / 12.5mg Aromasin ed
22 50mg Clomid ed / 12.5mg Aromasin ed
23 50mg Clomid ed / 12.5mg Aromasin eod

Every thing looks pretty good. couple things though.

You need an ai for on cycle. Aromasin 12.5mg ed or eod, you will have to adjust depending on estrogen sides.

Pct should be:
Clomid 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5
save the nolva for gyno emergencies.

And last, just some suggestions. Sust needs to be injecting at least eod for stable blood levels, if you're not willing to do that, go with test e or c.

I would also recommend starting the test at 500mg and then upping it.

1-8 500mg 9-16 750mg

Damn OSL, you beat me yet again and your suggestions look better anyway.....

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Damn OSL, you beat me yet again and your suggestions look better anyway.....

LOL yours are perfect too, I failed to mention EOD injects with Sust, nice work brother.

OSL: Thank you for your review and advice. It is well received.
1) I have overlooked and agree that the Sustanon should be run a couple weeks longer that the EQ. I will make that change. What are your thoughts about the Masteron? Should this be run a couple weeks longer with the Sust?

2) I have never administered an AI during cycle before, but am not opposed to it as i do put on quite a bit of obvious bloat. I do have an abundance of Letrozole on hand (unused from previous bulk cycle). Would this suffice for the AI, and if so at what dosage? I understand that Letrozole is a powerful AI...

3) Yes, i have noticed on this board that the general theme for PCT no longer includes Nolvadex. It has been quite some time (several years) since i have actively engaged in forum (bb.com years ago), and apparently the PCT regimen has changed due to new/updated studies/findings. I'm sure there is a plethora of literature on this forum regarding this reasoning. I would be very appreciative if someone could direct me to an article/sticky/thread that discusses the antiquated use of Nolvadex versus the newly accepted Clomid & AI regimen. Personally, i have a very tough time rebounding after cycle. I usually dont bounce back and return to normal testicular size and sex drive until about 10 weeks after cycle. So, any improvement i can make with this by changing PCT would be well worth the change.

4) The addition of HCG via Swale's protocol has aided slightly with the aforementioned issue, but nothing miraculous. I will make this change and administer the HCG with first injection and continue until PCT begins. I assume that Swale's protocol is considered the current standard over the blast of high dose injections of HCG at the end of cycle??

Vibrant: Thank you for your review and comments, as well. i will consider changing my injection schedule to EOD. I have typically administered the sust (and t400) in previous cycles at 2x/week with no noticable sides. I have never tapered any compounds in my cycles before. Just curious as to why the taper reccomendation with the sust?

It is a pleasure to discuss such items with knowledgable people.

Thanks again