Thread: EPO? any experanices with it?

I read somthing about 20iu's per KG of body beight 3 times a week for 2-3 weeks then 20iu's per KG of body weight once a week after that for mainenance... i dont want to try this untill i know more about it but i dont see many if any IM member at all who have experaince with it or even know about it =(

^^^ That was a dosing protocol most likely used on a 135-150lb athlete.

My experiences with it involved multiple people over 185, myself being 206 at the time.
Using the above protocol would mean 6,000ius 3x/wk for 2-3 weeks then 2,000ius/wk there after for maintenance. Another VERY common protocol involves the first 3 weeks to use E4D injects. Your goals are different that these athletes however, so you must change dosing accordingly.

Originally Posted by anxious1

^^^ That was a dosing protocol most likely used on a 135-150lb athlete.

My experiences with it involved multiple people over 185, myself being 206 at the time.
Using the above protocol would mean 6,000ius 3x/wk for 2-3 weeks then 2,000ius/wk there after for maintenance. Another VERY common protocol involves the first 3 weeks to use E4D injects. Your goals are different that these athletes however, so you must change dosing accordingly.

thats my biggest fear. im looking for an edge not to run the tour de france. so im not looking for 9 million iu's a week like these guys. so would it be safer to run it at a lesser dose? how long did you experiance the "gains" from this after you stopped usage?

The dosage goes according to BW not how much more performance you're looking for.

It isn't like AAS in that sense. You need a certain amount in your body in order for your marrow to respond creating enough extra RBC's for your larger mass. You could probably go down to 5,000iu's/wk for those first few weeks, but that isn't needing to be done. As long as you watch your BP, and take the aspirin you'll be g2g. Just PM that guy with any updates, or issues... I personally know he'll be able to walk you through it all. The gains wore off after 3 1/2months, then were gone by 6months after stopping.

Originally Posted by anxious1

The dosage goes according to BW not how much more performance you're looking for.

It isn't like AAS in that sense. You need a certain amount in your body in order for your marrow to respond creating enough extra RBC's for your larger mass. You could probably go down to 5,000iu's/wk for those first few weeks, but that isn't needing to be done. As long as you watch your BP, and take the aspirin you'll be g2g. Just PM that guy with any updates, or issues... I personally know he'll be able to walk you through it all. The gains wore off after 3 1/2months, then were gone by 6months after stopping.

thats more then enough im looking for 2-3 months of edge. once you stop do you still need the aspirin everyday i know you should take it for a while but how long? i might be unable to take the aspirin thats why im askin. An thanks for the info about it being about body weight. that makes sense and clears some things up a bit. where can i get a good BP monitor? Also how is it injected? is it injected IM or more like GH like in the stomach area?

It is done like GH. SubQ injects.
You will want the aspirin for 2-3 weeks after stopping the maintenance doses. (depending on how you feel, this is why you want someone who knows to walk you through it all).
Amazon has some BP monitors for fairly cheap.

Originally Posted by anxious1

It is done like GH. SubQ injects.
You will want the aspirin for 2-3 weeks after stopping the maintenance doses. (depending on how you feel, this is why you want someone who knows to walk you through it all).
Amazon has some BP monitors for fairly cheap.

great and cool bro thanks a bunch! ill pick a BP monitor later. i want more research b4 i commit to it but i think ill run it. atleast one time to get me that extra edge if everything goes good maybe ill run it again when the big boy training comes my way thanks for the help bro!

I ran it when I was in the "big boy" training... It was phenomenal with out a doubt brother.

If you do decide to run it, I'll help out.

Originally Posted by anxious1

I ran it when I was in the "big boy" training... It was phenomenal with out a doubt brother.

If you do decide to run it, I'll help out.

u sir have been a great help thro this whole process and the other ones weve discussed as well. i thank you very much for all your help and motivation

It's no problem bro. I can't have my dream, so I sure as hell am going to help others get to theirs.

Did you ever end up running that EPO brother?

^x2 I am pretty sure he was holding off for awhile... Are you planning on running it C?

Doesn't Test increase RBC? Just asking cause some guys that are on TRT have to give blood because of their RBC count get's too high.

Originally Posted by anxious1

^x2 I am pretty sure he was holding off for awhile... Are you planning on running it C?

not really, but then again, who knows lol. always interested in new stuff, especially when I know i can get my hands on it

I personally loved it... I will be doing it again for sure! Just do your research, and have someone there to guide you through it... lol same as with slin.

how many iu did you do in the 2 weeks? And did you get blood test to see where you were at?

I did 6,000IU's E4D for 3 1/2 weeks, then did maintenance doses once a week for 4 weeks, then once a month.

hey sorry guys i have had no time for the forum for a while. I was struggaling for a while fell on hard times VERY hard times. but hopefully in about a week things should be not only normal but good again=)

Where do you buy epo?

Originally Posted by Runhikebikesnow

Where do you buy epo?

Cvs, rite aid, walgreens or duane reade.. sometimes wal mart too!

Originally Posted by Cgrant

Cvs, rite aid, walgreens or duane reade.. sometimes wal mart too!

I get mine from dollar general.

OP - Didn't see it mentioned, be sure to get a centrifuge to test your hemocrit throughout the EPO cycle... if you accidentally go too high with hemocrit level your blood will be like sludge and you could die very easily. That's what happened to quite a few cyclists back in the day when people didn't know how to properly use this stuff. $2-350 bucks or so and you should be able to get one on ebay.

When I used this stuff I remember my HR would sometimes get down to as low as 36-39 in the morning upon waking up. I thought that was awesome, but if you drop too low while sleeping, you might not wake up. So if you notice your HR is getting in the mid 30's at any point definitely start wearing a heartrate monitor to sleep to be safe. Better safe than sorry with this stuff. If used properly it's extremely safe and yields incredible results

i taken it, its gtg but you need to take aspirin w/ it.

Originally Posted by anxious1

It is done like GH. SubQ injects.
You will want the aspirin for 2-3 weeks after stopping the maintenance doses. (depending on how you feel, this is why you want someone who knows to walk you through it all).
Amazon has some BP monitors for fairly cheap.

I was just wondering if you could also shoot EPO I/M - as I've read this scientific study (there's a whole host of them) regarding the efficacy of I/M vs. S/C

It's in this article here:
PDI

Regarding the dose also, I have read of two different injection formats/routines -
that is, E4D or E3D, with larger doses
and the other is ED with smaller doses,
in order to build up gradually.

What is your opinion on that, and would it have any differentiating effect given that EPO is in your system for 3 1/2months after wards?

Originally Posted by psyxxx

I was just wondering if you could also shoot EPO I/M - as I've read this scientific study (there's a whole host of them) regarding the efficacy of I/M vs. S/C

It's in this article here:
PDI

Regarding the dose also, I have read of two different injection formats/routines -
that is, E4D or E3D, with larger doses
and the other is ED with smaller doses,
in order to build up gradually.

What is your opinion on that, and would it have any differentiating effect given that EPO is in your system for 3 1/2months after wards?

I'm sure somebody else will chime in on this, but I personally have only ever heard of people taking it SUB-Q or directly into their vein/IV (clears the system quicker this way if you're being drug tested).

I personally have always just taken it E3D or E2D at 3-4,000IU's, but any of those dosing protocals work, just a matter of preference i'd say. One time I was using it before the biggest race of my collegiate career... after 2.5 weeks of using many hundred dollars worth of it... i got wicked sick (unrelated to the EPO)... and it basically dropped my crit back down near baseline and made all that EPO essentially do nothing. Sucked. Needless to say, was not my best race.

Originally Posted by trackstar19

I'm sure somebody else will chime in on this, but I personally have only ever heard of people taking it SUB-Q or directly into their vein/IV (clears the system quicker this way if you're being drug tested).

I personally have always just taken it E3D or E2D at 3-4,000IU's, but any of those dosing protocals work, just a matter of preference i'd say..

What if drug-testing is not an issue? As in, if it doesn't matter how long it remains detectable in your system, then it's feasible to inject I/M ?

Originally Posted by psyxxx

What if drug-testing is not an issue? As in, if it doesn't matter how long it remains detectable in your system, then it's feasible to inject I/M ?

Sorry if my post was confusing, I meant that people who need it to clear their system faster inject it IV style, and that sub-q injections last in your system longer/longer detection period. I don't know if you can inject IM or not, I don't know why you'd want to though? SUBQ is so much easier IMO

I know you have to think the blood with EPO, how much asparin should be taken a day? any recomended brands or anything? and also how long should i be taking it for? lets say you suppose to take 2 a day (just throwing out numbers) do i only have to take the pills for the 2 weeks in injecting or do i do it after to? i would think you need to do it after but for how long? 2 weeks 4 weeks 6 weeks 10 weeks after?