Thread: Why some are vials clear and others milky?

water-based products like... winstrol inj. and testosterone base are a milky white suspension... they are not actually "in solution" like most oils...

hrmm...but water is a better solvent than oil. A solution is the mixture of a solvent and solute. I don't understand why a water solvent would be creamier looking than an oil solvent. Maybe I'm trying to make too much out of it. I guess it's just what is it.

the winstrol goes into solution with PEG and PS80 and is heated... when the BAC water is added it brings the winstrol out of solution and into suspension... the white you see is the actuall winstrol powder... hope this helps..

Originally Posted by yerg

the winstrol goes into solution with PEG and PS80 and is heated... when the BAC water is added it brings the winstrol out of solution and into suspension... the white you see is the actuall winstrol powder... hope this helps..

OR it could just be a case of having a cheap bastard for a source and he puts it in an empty B-12 vial he had kicking around...

Originally Posted by TJTJ

hrmm...but water is a better solvent than oil. A solution is the mixture of a solvent and solute. I don't understand why a water solvent would be creamier looking than an oil solvent. Maybe I'm trying to make too much out of it. I guess it's just what is it.

Certain powders are not soluble in water. Upon shaking the vial you have a suspension.

Esters like test enanthate are soluble in oil.

Originally Posted by Prize

OR it could just be a case of having a cheap bastard for a source and he puts it in an empty B-12 vial he had kicking around...

Yes, but it wouldnt look the same.....lol

I don't believe any of these hormones are actually soluble in water, only in lipids (oil). So when it's in water what you're really seeing is individual particles of what is essentially still powder floating around "in suspension", hope that makes sense

Originally Posted by Digitalash

I don't believe any of these hormones are actually soluble in water, only in lipids (oil). So when it's in water what you're really seeing is individual particles of what is essentially still powder floating around "in suspension", hope that makes sense

I was just wondering if a specific product would always come in clear or white. And why they are the color they are.

Ive seen some photos of some not too friendly looking products. Chunky, half white half clear, Ive even seen what looked like a solid crack rock in the vial.

So white is a mixure of powder and oil?? and clear is _____ mixed with water??

What would I find always comes in clear. And what will always come in white. Or is it up in the air?

You know, just in case I by chance encounter some I want to know what Im looking at is what Im looking at.

pretty sure test suspension and winstrol when in water will always be milky, if dissolved in oil everything should be clear to my knowledge. Unless the gear has crashed due to low temperature or improper amounts of solvents, and then you may have crystals/particles even in an oil solution.

And when it "crashes" (I just found out about crashing today) How does that fuck it up? Is it because the solute and solvent didnt dissolve in to an equal part solution?

lowering the temperature of any solution will have a tendency to make particles fall "out" of it, this is the basis for a number of chemical extraction processes. The easiest way to understand it is that as the temperature decreases, so does the space between molecules. Just as warm hair can support more humidity (more space for dissolved water vapor) warm solution can support more of the solute in question. In this case having too little solvent may mean the gear looks fine when it's heated up but crashes at room temperature. For properly made gear it may be fine at room temp but crash when it's exposed to cold temperatures. The hormone is still undamaged, and will usually return to solution after being brought back to room temp, otherwise more solvent may be added or it could technically be injected warm. Though in that case it would most likely crash inside the muscle making it painful afterwards.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

lowering the temperature of any solution will have a tendency to make particles fall "out" of it, this is the basis for a number of chemical extraction processes. The easiest way to understand it is that as the temperature decreases, so does the space between molecules. Just as warm hair can support more humidity (more space for dissolved water vapor) warm solution can support more of the solute in question. In this case having too little solvent may mean the gear looks fine when it's heated up but crashes at room temperature. For properly made gear it may be fine at room temp but crash when it's exposed to cold temperatures. The hormone is still undamaged, and will usually return to solution after being brought back to room temp, otherwise more solvent may be added or it could technically be injected warm. Though in that case it would most likely crash inside the muscle making it painful afterwards.

Okay. Cool, cool. Now what would cause the solute to become damaged? Freezing? Over heating? Also which products need a constant state of refrigeration?

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Okay. Cool, cool. Now what would cause the solute to become damaged? Freezing? Over heating? Also which products need a constant state of refrigeration?

Heating it past a certain point can damage the hormone, the temp required is different for everyone. I've heard tren can oxidize at pretty low temps so shouldn't be heated too much. I don't think they will be damaged by low temps though. As far as I know the only things that need to be constantly refrigerated are peptides/GH/hcg

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Though in that case it would most likely crash inside the muscle making it painful afterwards.

You got that one right, not that I wouldn't know first hand or anything...

A least you know you have real gear?

has't happened to me yet but it doesn't sound fun in the least lol. Reminds me a guy was asking here the other day if he could intentionally crash his gear to find out if it's legit, would that work?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

has't happened to me yet but it doesn't sound fun in the least lol. Reminds me a guy was asking here the other day if he could intentionally crash his gear to find out if it's legit, would that work?

Yeah it would work but personally if I felt I needed to do that, I would look for another source.

Originally Posted by TJTJ

So white is a mixure of powder and oil?? and clear is _____ mixed with water??

It is the opposite. Think of it like a cup of coffee, powder creamer is in suspension as the coffee sits it will fall to the bottom of the cup as it "crashes" but the sugar is in a solution and it will unlikely ever "crash" unless it is exposed to cold temps for a long period. Both start as white powders. Same goes for chems when it's mixed in water it forms a suspension and over time it will settle out but when chems are mixed in oil they forms a solution and could only crash if exposed to cold temps. The degree of those temps are based on the amount of solvents in the oil.

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Okay. Cool, cool. Now what would cause the solute to become damaged? Freezing? Over heating? Also which products need a constant state of refrigeration?

Crashing doesn't damage the chems. If it is a water based it just needs to be shaken to reform the suspension and if it is a oil base it needs to be reheated and shaken to reform the solution but be careful to not heat to much as this can damage the chems. Usually hot tap water is enough to reform the solution.

Originally Posted by GymRat4Life

Yeah it would work but personally if I felt I needed to do that, I would look for another source.

So true!!!! If you have to ask run far far away.

Originally Posted by big60235

... but be careful to not heat to much as this can damage the chems. Usually hot tap water is enough to reform the solution.

so just enough to thaw, reach room temp and mixable

Bro we would be able to help out a lot more if you told us what you have and what the situation is. You last post sounds like it is frozen????

Nah I dont have shit. Just learning.