First cycle HELP please.

**saint924** · 11-29-2011, 11:38 PM

Iight about 4-6 months ago I was going to do a cycle but talking to some guys i told them I'd wait till December to do it. December is here and more and more people around me are juicing and getting huge its time I catch up lawl. Yes this is my first cycle and yes I know more than one compound isnt smart for first one but I already decided.

Since some people want to know my stats Ill post but know Im not waiting anymore I have a very trustworthy contact who gets U.S grade stuff.
Not going to say who.. and I also have alot of support around me.. my brother father and even more whom I can trust. Ok this is the cycle my cousin did with great results.. without any PCT's or anti E's (which i think is dum but whatever)

MY Stats:
AGE: 21
Height:5'7 Small frame
Weight: 155lbs Lean/Muscular (started at 126lbs)
Thats really all you need to know.. and really I don't care what you think
I've trained since 16 all that matters is I watch my diet. And I know I'll probably be taking steroids on and off in the future too. I also know the side effects so don't try and stick unnecessary comments at me.

Cycle:
I'll keep it short and simple Im getting one bottle of Test E and one bottle of Deca. Which is about 10 weeks of shots since ill be doing 1cc of both a week. which lands at like 250mg of test E and 250mg Deca weekly. I have someone who's been doing the stuff for over 8 years doing the shots for me.. he's family...

PCT:

Nolvadex: in hand although if someone can tell me something better since I heard it doesnt work well with deca let me know. I'll probably wait till after cycle or if Gyno kicks in while on I'll start taking it.

Clomid: I'll start this 2 weeks after my last injection.

HCG: Havent decided on wether I'll take this yet.

And I also might take a DHT blocker. (trying to stay on budget)

SOMEONE PLEASE:
If someone can recommend me a good PCT that would be great.. as far as my cycle goes I think im gtg as my cousin did the same cycle from same guy and gained a good 35lbs only losing about 10lbs. Half a year later he still has the weight.. also he said his sex drive was crazy.. he litterly wanted to go at it like 3-6 times a day.. simply sitting the wrong way put his dick up. In advance thanks guys for reading this and whatever help/advice you can give me I appreciate it. And I'll probably be taking before/after screen shots to show you guys.. although this cycle isnt going to start until about a week from now. Also advice for if I get gyno while on cycle will be great.. although I doubt that will happen.. better safe than sorry. Thanks again.

**titanman03** · 11-30-2011, 12:18 AM

even tho it seems in your post you dont seem to think what other peoples opinions are , you posted it for a reason so ill chime in , you should always keep your test intake higher than your deca intake , if ur taking 250mg test , up it to 350 and keep the deca at 250 to cut out any risks of side effects caused by deca, also instead of having nolva on hand for ur cycle u should keep that for pct and have arimadex on hand for water retention and other sides, as far as hcg i personally only take it when im running high doses of test like right now im running 900mg week , but it would only help not hurt to take hcg once or twice a week during your cycle. and your pct is just as important as your cycle and needs to be done right to keep what you gain, steroids may help you get bigger faster , but there not a miracle in a syringe , its more like 70% diet and training and 30% gear.

**Calves of Steel** · 11-30-2011, 12:20 AM

Dude deca is such a risky substance to use I've heard HORROR stories from people. Some are lucky, but if you're not one of the lucky ones you could be shut down for a long ass time from it. It's the last thing I would put in a first cycle aside from maybe tren. Test alone would be the best because in the time that the esters begin cleaving and the substance builds up in your system you will be able to adjust to it without a sudden shock. Also, deca shouldn't be run at the same dose as test. Deca is not very androgenic. You want to feel like a man trust me. If you mus run deca like you have a joint problem or really don't want to lose hair, run test at least 2 times as high. I know 3 guys doing test deca and all 3 have gotten gyno from the deca when none of them had it before. Just a word of caution man. Deca is a hard one to turn around from.

Also, HCG is great great stuff. Your chance of recovering your test levels back to what they were before the cycle is much higher with it. IMO worth the extra money and couple of pins. Good luck man!

**LightBearer** · 11-30-2011, 12:53 AM

YO DUDE, YOU SAID YOURE GOING TO TAKE DECA, AND A DHT BLOCKER???? BRO IF YOU COMBINE DECA AND A DHT BLOCKER LIKE PROPECIA IT WILL HAVE A REVERSE EFFECT AND CAUSE YOU TO LOSE HAIR BY THE CLUMP/// YOU DO NOT TAKE PROPECIA OR ANYTHING LIKE IT WHILE ON DECA, YOU GOT THAT?

"Deca converts from the 5AR enzyme an androgen called DHN rather than DHT like test does and Finasteride is a 5AR inhibitor. Finasteride will block the 5AR enzyme and while on deca result in hairloss whereas assist in saving your hair while on test"

i just backchecked on this topic, i found a person who says that what i just told you is a misconception, but there are tons of people who say do not run deca and propecia together.
please do more research bro, and btw those doses are weak. do test 500mg per week with aromasin

**saint924** · 11-30-2011, 01:42 AM

Not true at all. I'm just saying last post I had many tell me to just eat and train more.. which wasnt so bad though cause I gained 10 more pounds these past 5 months with complete consistency and proper dieting.. but this time I just want help to get started on my cycle.. more so to avoid the side effects. And I actually require peoples opinions as far as PCT and estrogen control. You sound very knowledgeable.. can you give me a breakdown of the PCT and what I should do if gyno flares up? Also judging by your comment I might take HCG probably 500ui's a week or what do you recommend and when should i take it? Can I take it with the roids? Thanks a bunch.

**saint924** · 11-30-2011, 01:46 AM

@ lightbearer I'll take your advice.. didnt really want to have to buy that anyway. I'll probably just use head and shoulders LMAO. Thanks for commenting.

**saint924** · 11-30-2011, 01:54 AM

@ Calves of Steel

I know I've heard some pretty crazy storys about deca. But I also heard other people claim its not as bad as people say. My cousin and 2 other people i know of has taken this same cycle without any problems. I think the issue is with people who have taken it in the past without test... I know someone who has and they couldent get hard for months bad move. Judging by my genetics I honestly don't think I'll have estrogen or sex drive issues. But fck it there is only one way to find out. Wish me luck. And thanks for the comment.. I defenly will try and get my hands on HCG. Not having my balls shrink might be worth the extra dough

**Swolen22** · 11-30-2011, 09:08 PM

First Cycle and PCT

**BigBlackGuy** · 12-01-2011, 01:04 AM

Test E 500-600mg for 12 weeks. BAM, done and done. Keep Aromasin or Letrozole on hand for E2. Blood tests around week 4-6 will let you know if estrogen is high or not.

PCT: Clomid or Toremifene for 4 weeks, TCF-1 for 4 weeks, an AI if needed.

Also, Deca is known for gyno and CRUSHED libido. It's metabolites STAY IN YOUR BODY FOR A LONG TIME and can continue suppressing your libido and natural hormone levels. 250mg per week just isn't enough to see very much. Just get another bottle of test. If you can't get more test because of a min fee, etc. etc., grab some Andromass as it'll stack perfectly with test.

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