Thread: First Real Bulk Cycle w/ Prop, NPP, and Dbol

Hummm shit I want to know myself!!

What no cock size! CLOSED! lol

To be honest though, when doing bulk cycles, I prefer to use compounds with longer esters. You can use your susp up front 2hrs. before you hit the gym with your dbol. How long do you plan to run it for? If longer than 10-12 weeks, I'd consider test e/c, deca, and dbol. IMHO. Front using the susp and dbol....or just one of them.


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I'm thinking about fronting with suspension while I wait that little bit of time for the stuff to kick in, and then ending it with dbol. I've never used dbol, and I'm one impatient mofo, so I might not wait lol but that's the plan.

I'd much rather have the dbol up front, I love that superman feeling I get when I first get rolling. I found that adding dbol at the tail adds a bit of water retention if not careful. I would rather finish with var or tbol if I was to use an oral at the end. Hell, even winny. IMHO.





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I ran dbol at the end of my test/deca cycle. It worked well. Actually I had ran the test for a pretty good while and felt my cycle had gotten flat so the dbol really picked it up! 25mg in the morning and 25 in the afternoon. I'm not a fan of deca. I think NPP is a much wiser choice.

I do have Winny on hand too, come to think of it....

I think you have unintentionally persuaded me to use the dbol up front

I appreciate all the other input, but my original question still hasn't been answered though....lol

Originally Posted by bigbenj

To sum up, has anyone tried test and npp at the same dose.

To answer your question, I have NOT used NPP and test at the same dose, I have always used a little more test as I got hit with deca dick once in my life (ran 600/600 test/deca). I usually run a gram of test a week, and 100mg NPP ED.


As for the dbol, I LOVE it up front. I don't notice much using it at the end. If you have winny, that will help solidify all your gains from the rest of the compounds you are using. Winny will harden you up and dry you out at the same time. 50mg ED. IMHO!




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Sounds solid. I'll give it a run. This is the reason I like short esters when first trying a compound, because I can see how my body reacts, and rectify the situation quickly without having to wait for a long ester to clear.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Sounds solid. I'll give it a run. This is the reason I like short esters when first trying a compound, because I can see how my body reacts, and rectify the situation quickly without having to wait for a long ester to clear.

Correct! The best example being tren. You try ace before enan in case you can't deal with the sides. Smart man!




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Thanks for the help, boss.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Thanks for the help, boss.

So I'm boss now? You initially addressed me as your baby!! Keep us posted bro....and have fun with that NPP!




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Whatever you want to be....no homo of course lol

I'll keep you guys posted.
I was actually wondering this earlier..since you're a mod, do you think it would be cool if I kept a journal with pics and such in this section. I don't want to do one in the reg journal section, as it's not suited for this type of thing.

If its not the appropriate space it's all good.

Or maybe we can get an Enhanced Cycle Journal section going....
Hint hint wink wink

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Whatever you want to be....no homo of course lol

I'll keep you guys posted.
I was actually wondering this earlier..since you're a mod, do you think it would be cool if I kept a journal with pics and such in this section. I don't want to do one in the reg journal section, as it's not suited for this type of thing.

If its not the appropriate space it's all good.

Go ahead with the journal, I see no rule or violation against it. It's AAS related so I see no reason why you shouldn't be....unless Heavy or Prince decides otherwise.



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Sweet. It'll be up in a week or two most likely. Thanks.

Im also going to run npp at the same dose as test. From what I understand, if you use caber and have some test in your system, the sexual sides won't come, at least that's what it seems. A dude named skinny d from raws forum has ran npp and suspention at same dose with good results he says

Since I'll be running short esters I can always eliminate the problem quickly. We'll see.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Since I'll be running short esters I can always eliminate the problem quickly. We'll see.

Looking foreward to the journal bigbenj. You had some nice progress in z's contest, anyway will you be giving things like size measurements and etc during the journal and pics occasionally? I'm sure it will be a great journal.

Looking forward to the journal, bigbenj

I'll be running npp, for the first time in January, for about 8 weeks, then switching to tren A, for the next 8.
Curious as to your finalized dosage, on the test/npp

Originally Posted by Deity

Looking foreward to the journal bigbenj. You had some nice progress in z's contest, anyway will you be giving things like size measurements and etc during the journal and pics occasionally? I'm sure it will be a great journal.

I planned on pics for sure, but measurements sound like a good idea too, so I'll throw that in. Thanks for the suggestion.

Originally Posted by Patriot1405

I'll be running npp, for the first time in January, for about 8 weeks, then switching to tren A, for the next 8.
Curious as to your finalized dosage, on the test/npp

I think it's going to be a 1:1 ratio or maybe just a little more test than npp. I'll try a 1:1 ratio first and see how it goes. If it starts to effect me negatively I can use suspension to quickly get my T levels a little higher. This will be an experiment of sorts.

Can't wait to see and read your journal man your gonna get even more jacked then you already are!

I'm still too small =(
My name is misleading lol. Hopefully I can get to 215 this cycle. That would be 23lbs or so gained. I hope to eat a moderate diet. Definitely higher cals than usual, but I'm not going to eat 6000 cals a day and get fat. I eat about 2000 cals a day to maintain my current weight. I'm not going to triple that and put on just as much fat as muscle.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

I'm still too small =(
My name is misleading lol. Hopefully I can get to 215 this cycle. That would be 23lbs or so gained. I hope to eat a moderate diet. Definitely higher cals than usual, but I'm not going to eat 6000 cals a day and get fat. I eat about 2000 cals a day to maintain my current weight. I'm not going to triple that and put on just as much fat as muscle.

If your small I'm tiny!

You should be okay with 2500-3000 Cals a day

I have to eat 3500 when I bulk and it gets hard for me to eat that much

I'm a big guy by normal standards, but an average guy by board standards lol.
When I did methadrol and test for 4 weeks, I was eating around 2000-2500 cals and put on 18lbs in those four weeks. I think 23lbs to get to 215 is reasonable. My main goal is to gain good size and still keep a good amount of cuts. I don't want to just turn into a big, bloated mess for the sake of being "big"

Originally Posted by bigbenj

I'm a big guy by normal standards, but an average guy by board standards lol.
When I did methadrol and test for 4 weeks, I was eating around 2000-2500 cals and put on 18lbs in those four weeks. I think 23lbs to get to 215 is reasonable. My main goal is to gain good size and still keep a good amount of cuts. I don't want to just turn into a big, bloated mess for the sake of being "big"

Yeah I feel ya gotta keep it tight!
Well I wish you luck man
When are you starting?

Have u been off for a while?

Waiting till February to start is KILLING ME

Originally Posted by bigbenj

I'm still too small =(
My name is misleading lol. Hopefully I can get to 215 this cycle. That would be 23lbs or so gained. I hope to eat a moderate diet. Definitely higher cals than usual, but I'm not going to eat 6000 cals a day and get fat. I eat about 2000 cals a day to maintain my current weight. I'm not going to triple that and put on just as much fat as muscle.

Its not the only thing that is misleading...

Had no idea you were so small. Id suggest eating clean calories at a higher load. I lose weight with 2500-3000 calories a day. I think 3000-3500 is my maintenance.

Cant wait to see how the next round goes for you.

You should have had an idea, you've seen my pics lol.
Our maintenance levels should be somewhat different since are physiques are somewhat different. I would say I'm shorter and leaner, and you're taller and bulkier.

I want to gradually add mass in the right places. I don't subscribe to the idea that you need 6-7 full meals a day. Or I should say, I don't think that EVERYONE needs to eat that way. Some days I get more, some days I get less. I'll be buckling down for this cycle.